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⌈ Secret Post #1763 ⌋

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13. http://i56.tinypic.com/3480p60.jpg

source pic PLEASE.

So much this.

Also, uuuuh.. links to that porn you downloaded wouldn't be discouraged, OP. Just sayin'.

tineye to the rescue!

http://zephyr1974.blogspot.com/2009/08/damien-crosse-for-tetucom.html?zx=3576d4d74a045935

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stella-down.livejournal.com - 2011-11-01 04:14 (UTC) - Expand

Welcome to the dark side :D

I wouldn't worry about it, OP. You weren't sure about something and thought it or the people who liked it were strange. Then you encountered it and found you liked it and decided to explore it. That, to me, is healthier than denouncing it and refusing to satisfy your own curiosity Just Because.

You are refreshingly sane (:

Well you're closer to understanding it then I am. But I'm not a lesbian (I'm bi) and while I have had it explained to me I still really don't get it.

But it's okay, I don't have to understand, look at as much m/m as you want and enjoy.

Someone once explained it to me like this -

1. By taking the girl out of sex and having it be two men, lesbian writers are creating a total escapism fantasy because there is no woman for them to project themselves on to or identify with physically. Being lesbians, male/female sex isn't something they enjoy participating in and reading or writing male/female sex may not be attractive to them because they might instinctively identify with the woman, but that doesn't mean they dislike all penetrative sex.

2. We're conditioned to believe that only women want to talk about their feelings and that men don't. So writing a male/male relationship allows women to explore the idea of men sharing their feelings where they're not being coaxed to by a woman. Because the idea that our gender should get used to not being allowed to share our feelings with men isn't a pleasant one. This applies to all women, not just lesbians, because we (nearly) all have men in our lives who we wish would communicate with us about personal issues more clearly.

3. Penetrative sex involves the woman being penetrated (ignoring pegging here for the sake of argument). We're both conditioned to believe our role in life is to have children, yet informed that we shouldn't be openly sexual because it's not ~ladylike (slut shaming, basically). While this is something we (women) are informed is our lot in life, for men they're conditioned to believe they should be the ones penetrating during sex (meaning the images we're bombarded with of sex are nearly entirely heterosexual). So seeing a man being in the 'submissive' position in bed allows women to explore their expected role from a different perspective.

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(Anonymous) - 2011-11-01 01:11 (UTC) - Expand

Reading my first slash fic was also my first experience being turned on by literature. It confused me too.

XD hot, innit? Enjoy!

I don't get the porn aspect of slash fics, but the relationship dynamics to me should be agender.

I'm heterosexual, but don't enjoy het stories at all. Slash turns me on big time. Don't know why, but it does.

tbh as a very very lesbian leaning bisexual, i'd say the explaination is simply: sex is hot...& your mileage may vary, of course.

I have a theory about why lesbians like slashfic so much.

1. Women (IN GENERAL) find the relationship and emotional dynamics of sex far more sexy than representations of the act.

2. Male characters generally are more developed than female characters by writers, and so the audience is more invested in and in tune with their personalities.

Therefore, lesbians read slash fic because it is easy to find the relationship dynamic sexy.

I just explained that horribly, but I just spent four hours writing a research paper so I'll be lazy.

You don't get to excuse sexist stereotypes and shoot down counterarguments by writing a big ol' IN GENERAL, hth

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fearless-rabbit.livejournal.com - 2011-11-01 06:27 (UTC) - Expand

nayrt

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(Anonymous) - 2011-11-01 14:48 (UTC) - Expand

ahh i have a friend who is also a lesbian and loves gay porn. she explained it like this: since there's two guys, male gay porn is something that lesbians could never ever experience, so that makes it more interesting. i hope that makes sense?

Because there isn't enough butch lesbian porn.

I'm a lesbian and all of my favorite slash writers are lesbians.

*kanyeshrug*

I was a lesbian who loved m/m, for a very long time. It was the same sex relationship dynamics/penetration without the squicky relating to the woman being penetrated by the man (pegging is fine). But then I had a girlfriend who realized he was actually my boyfriend who loved slash because he identified with the guys.

Boy.

My abstract interest in fictional men just died. Give me the femslash, please. I want to relate to it all the way, not just part of the way.

Also women aren't being objectified in the fic- just the men. That's certainly different and sometimes I think it's more the dynamic of the relationship rather than the bits between the legs. Two men? Just as equal as two women. Equality gets my rocks off. So does equality with inequality in play. I mean, really, a guy dominating a woman? That's already unequal (women paid like 83 cents to the dollar compared to men, only 60% of women holding a full time job, less finances, less power, sexism etc etc. soapbox.). It could be super hot for some people, and is super hot in theory but there's still a balance issue. Guy topping a guy? Hot and perfect since they're generally more financially equal, considered the same by society etc etc etc. Same for two women. I'm not knocking heteronormative dynamics and also think they're super hot, even though I'm a lesbian leaning bisexual myself.

Also, biphobia. Bisexuals will often self label as lesbians because biphobia is awful, and even lesbians are biphobic. No one wants to date a bi chick. So if someone's bi, and they think they like girls more- they're going to go with a lesbian identity and read these awesomely awesome hot fics. Plus only a small ratio scores a 6 on the kinsey scale, being exclusively homosexual. I mean really, if you're a girl liking girl, then you probably want to be liked by other girls that like girls. And that's kind of hard when girls want guys to know that they're lesbians and will never like guys ever and these wishy washy bi/lesbian chicks are making that hard. So many negative bisexual stereotypes. So us lesbian leaning bi girls just say we're lesbians and read the gosh darned porn because we're never going to sleep with men ever (at least a lot of us won't) and we don't want to be seen as some confused bi girl. Even though bisexuals often aren't confused and it's just everyone else that doesn't get it. Eh well.

Just my two cents.

I think that the easiest, most practical thing to do is define your orientation by who you personally want to be with, but sometimes things are more complicated? Sometimes a certain gender is super appealing by themselves, or with somebody else, but just... not for you. You can absolutely only love women in your real life, but think men in porn are hot, because sexuality is really confusing and weird. If the difference is how you feel about it when you're involved, you can like men and still be a lesbian.

But there's other reasons why lesbians might like slash. I used to like guy slash a lot when I was younger, and now not so much. My first slash ship happened a little after my first same gender crush, and since I was kind of super closeted at the time, it was great to have some distance between me and the characters, and I don't know if it could have made me feel better about being gay if there wasn't that distance? Plus, a lot of slash ships are for characters that have these big epic friendships and big epic rivalries, and when that happens with girl characters it usually doesn't get as much focus, or it's pretty much all about boyfriend stuff. And I wasn't really aware of femslash actually written by women back then, and thought it was mostly lesbian porn for and by guys. Not sure if there was as much stuff there back then? but for a while I didn't really see getting into girl/girl stories and stuff as an option.

So there's that.

Re: sorry i'm kinda drunk

(Anonymous) - 2011-11-01 18:02 (UTC) - Expand

Well, as a lesbian, I've never understood people who say "lesbians can't like slash!", because when I like a pairing, it's not because of the genders of the participants - it's because I enjoy the interplay of the relationship. I'll ship het, femslash, slash, alien threesomes, what have you, because it's about the relationship of the characters. That's what makes it hot or not - the emotional aspect (because even in the most casual of sex scenes, in fiction, there is always an emotional aspect.)

You don't see gay guys masturbating to lesbians.... you're fake and just horny, seriously

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(Anonymous) - 2011-11-02 00:48 (UTC) - Expand

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