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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2011-10-31 06:56 pm

[ SECRET POST #1763 ]


⌈ Secret Post #1763 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Somebody's been spamming the submissions post with old secrets, apparently (for what actual purpose, I'm not sure). Just give me a heads up and I'll take the repeats down.

Secrets Left to Post: 08 pages, 200 secrets from Secret Submission Post #252.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 1 - omgiknowthem ], [ 1 2 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

(Anonymous) 2011-10-31 11:42 pm (UTC)(link)
For a lot of people it IS humiliation kink, and that bullshit drives me up a wall. It perpetuates the idea that women's things are weak, and that to be even SIMILAR to women is a punishment.

Supposed "women's" clothing is slinky, restrictive or revealing. I think it's a shame that people associate those adjectives with women only. Men have sexy parts to reveal, too, so I enjoy crossdressing when guys are wearing gorgeous outfits proudly. And to paraphrase Eddie Izzard, they aren't women's clothes when they don't belong to a woman.

(Anonymous) 2011-10-31 11:45 pm (UTC)(link)
You realize that most of the people you're getting mad at for having this kink ARE women? and victims of that stereotype?

(Anonymous) 2011-11-01 12:37 am (UTC)(link)
Internalized misogyny is still misogyny.

(Anonymous) 2011-11-01 12:39 am (UTC)(link)
So? Women can also think that putting men into girl clothing is humiliating for the guy. If you think your panties on a guy are supposed to punish him, you probably also think all gay men are feminine and therefore not real men, eh?

(Anonymous) 2011-11-01 12:55 am (UTC)(link)
And your point is...?

(Anonymous) 2011-11-01 03:25 am (UTC)(link)
The point is, the person who's trying to kink shame at the beginning of this thread is doing the equivalent saying it 'drives them up the wall' that people have rape as a kink, even when they're told that the majority of people who have it are actual rape victim and this is part of how they're coping.

If the person you're talking to is the victim, don't think you have a right to lecture them on what they should find attractive and why. Let alone gender roles, which is something inflicted on women since the day they're born and is used to shape them, sometimes quite harshly. Like seriously, fuck you if you want to respond to my habit of fetishizing femininity by giving me a fucking lecture on gender roles and internalized misogyny, THANKS.

(Anonymous) 2011-11-01 04:13 am (UTC)(link)
NGL at this point in the thread I can't tell which of you is up on a moral high horse chiding who for what offense.

(Anonymous) 2011-10-31 11:54 pm (UTC)(link)
People who freak out about kinks 'perpetuating' the wrong sorts of ideas drive me up the wall. Way to tell us that we can't enjoy the secret dirtywrong fantasies that get us off the hardest, because they have skeevy RL implications. As it happens, we know that. We also know (well, most people know) that there is a distinction between fantasy and reality.

(Anonymous) 2011-11-01 12:46 am (UTC)(link)
Now if you look down on guys who like to wear lingerie IRL because they humiliate themselves, kindly fuck off. If you only consider it humiliation in a fictional/roleplay setting, rock on.
Sadly I know no person who is like that IRL.

(Anonymous) 2011-11-01 12:55 am (UTC)(link)
Then I pity you your friends.

[identity profile] oflittlebrain.livejournal.com 2011-11-01 02:40 am (UTC)(link)
mte honestly

(Anonymous) 2011-11-01 12:39 am (UTC)(link)
A lot of women's clothing can be ridiculous though. Mostly because it's expected that women dress certain ways as a matter of course (make up, high heels and whatnot). There is emphasis on looks over practicality that is degrading in the workplace if it goes against how a woman would chose to dress.
ext_81845: the character ray person from generation kill, squinting and smiling/smirking (yeah... no.)

[identity profile] childings.livejournal.com 2011-11-01 03:20 am (UTC)(link)
Maybe the "humiliation" comes from forcing someone to wear something they really don't want to wear

Just a thought

(Anonymous) 2011-11-01 03:16 pm (UTC)(link)
This is a good comment. I tend to think women who are uncomfortable in/don't want to wear lingerie being forced into it is kind of hot. Why not the same with a man?