[ SECRET POST #1763 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1763 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Somebody's been spamming the submissions post with old secrets, apparently (for what actual purpose, I'm not sure). Just give me a heads up and I'll take the repeats down.

Secrets Left to Post: 08 pages, 200 secrets from Secret Submission Post #252.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 1 - omgiknowthem ], [ 1 2 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

THANK YOU OH MY GOD. Both you and the OP. I don't think I've ever found anyone who liked other trek who was willing to admit to disliking this show. And I just--CAN'T.

[jekesta]

::clings a little bit::

I love tng and voyager so much, and people just all pretend dsn is better and it's not, it's not even a little bit nearly as good, and people are WRONG WITH THEIR EYES.

[(Anonymous)]

::clinging right back::

I'm a TOS/TNG fan, and never got to voyager because DS9 was next and I just kind of had to think--okay, so this is where I should stop, then.

[jekesta]

Yeah, that does make sense. Voyager's not as good as tng or tos (although I usually think of tos as an entirely different show anyway) but it's better than dsn by about nine million years. It has the whole ongoing story thing, and that gets dull occasionally, and it does take a while to bed down. But it has Janeway, who is constantly beautiful, amazing, hilarious and brilliant. And I do only love about half the crew, and the other half are a bit dreadful, but they're bad in an entertaining way, not in a 'kill me I am so bored' kind of way. So it's still heads and shoulders above deep space nine.

One day I'm even going to attempt Enterprise. I'm almost looking forward to it.

[(Anonymous)]

I would SO much rather watch an uneven show with characters who are amazing, hilarious and brilliant than I would suffer through a perfectly plotted show with only one character I can get invested in at all. (not even one character. halfway invested in exactly two characters.)

maybe someday I'll return to voyager, then. :)

[jekesta]

If you can fall in love with Janeway and Tuvok and THEIR AMAZINGNESS, then Voyager is really easy to love. If you're not in love with them, I imagine it's more of a struggle.

[amarielah.livejournal.com]

As someone who likes them all equally...

Why would people pretend that they think something is better? That makes no sense to me at all.

[jekesta]

Yes, you are right. I used the word 'pretend' there where I more honestly meant 'think'. I was just being flippant.

[amarielah.livejournal.com]

Ah. That makes sense. Thanks.

[(Anonymous)]

It's hard to argue with people about DS9's quality. Maybe because it comes down to taste so much. Personally, I can't stand the show. But I know that it does plot very, very well, and it has character development, and it does the multi-season arc very very well. All stuff that I approve of and support--but not nearly enough to rescue the show (for me) from all the stuff I think it's doing wrong--the dialogue, the acting, the excruciatingly dull characters, the failed humor. But that stuff's harder to point to, because, as I think this thread is making clear, aesthetics ping people differently. It's easier to point to the stuff DS9 does right, because it's not aesthetic, it's structural. And I really do have to give the show kudos for that. In that sense, *I* have pretended to like the show.

But my actual experience of WATCHING THE SHOW is wanting to tear my hair out with boredom and frustration, and sometimes I don't want to talk about what the show's doing right, calmly and diplomatically. I want to rant about all the reasons I think that despite doing plot/arcs right, I STILL think the show fails overall. Feeling major sympathy for the OP, still--especially after having to calm down enough to write this.

[jekesta]

I want to rant about all the reasons I think that despite doing plot/arcs right, I STILL think the show fails overall

Yes! Reasoned discussions FOR THE LOSE. You can have a million conversations about how it was very daring of star trek to sit around in space and not go anywhere, and how nice cardassian architecture is, but I basically sometimes just want to go 'it's TERRIBLE, I WANT THEM ALL TO DIE, BURN IT DOWN, WHY DOES IT NEVER END??????'

I hope the OP didn't have to watch it actually in the presence of someone loving it, and try to enjoy it. That must have been quite painful.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

I did. And it really. really. was.

Re: OP

[jekesta]

But that's just terrible. I suppose if you've been pretending to like it for the first few seasons it gets a bit awkward to suddenly spout forth with actual truth.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

To make a long story short: there was a boy. I pretended to like it to spend time with him, praying it would get better, and then it never did. it's his favorite fucking show. he gets all emotional and teary when he talks about it. telling him I hate it now would feel like stabbing him in the back.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Oh god, that SUCKS.

Re: OP

[jekesta]

That's terribly difficult. If you got through 7 seasons of it and still quite like him, though, that's a good sign at least.

(One of the worst things about deep space nine is the hope that it'll get better. It's bad enough anyway, but everyone says it gets better, and you know that everyone loves it, and you feel like there *must* be a reason they love it, and it might be ANY MOMENT NOW, and then it never comes and it's just AN AGONY OF RUBBISH.)

[(Anonymous)]

I want to like DS9, it has some things about it I really enjoy, but honestly between the producers daddy issues (Ron, Gene's been dead a very long time, you can stop whining now. Besides, dear Ron, you made a career out of reinventing someone else's wheel. You're not some kind of visionary no matter how much you guys think you are) and fan attitude? I just get annoyed.

Plus it seems to be the first place we see the 'Vulcans who aren't our favorites are all assholes' attitude that ran over into Enterprise and I just can't forgive them for that.