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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2011-11-08 07:38 pm

[ SECRET POST #1771 ]

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[identity profile] amph87.livejournal.com 2011-11-09 01:00 am (UTC)(link)
IA, I have a fondness for the B&B trope but for once I'd love to see a version where the girl is ugly :(

(Anonymous) 2011-11-09 01:06 am (UTC)(link)
There are plenty of stories like that, it's just she never gets to stay ugly. She always gets made over before getting the hot guy.

[identity profile] lolofielding.livejournal.com 2011-11-09 01:18 am (UTC)(link)
Or the guy is ugly so she's suited for him (Shrek).
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[identity profile] sensualcoco.livejournal.com 2011-11-09 03:01 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I'll love you for your personality but only if I can make you conventionally hot first.

[identity profile] threeonetwo.livejournal.com 2011-11-09 03:49 am (UTC)(link)
And the only reason she's ever ugly is because she wears frumpy, loose-fitting clothes and/or has never seen a hairbrush in her life and/or has clunky "nerd glasses". So the makeover isn't even that surprising, because she's always a really hot girl who just has all the capability to dress herself as a two-year-old.

Give her contacts(never ever nice looking glasses because glasses are ALWAYS ugly in these situations), hand her a comb, and let her know that a wrinkly brown skirt does not, in fact, go with a very poorly knitted blue sweater five times her size and neon pink shoes with mustard-yellow stockings, and omg you guys, suddenly she's a model! It's a miracle! Except it's not, because she was gorgeous all along.

In short: agreed. Also I'd love to at least see said scenario happen when the "ugly girl" is GENUINELY UNATTRACTIVE TO START WITH.

(Anonymous) 2011-11-09 03:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh man, I've wanted that last scenario ever since reading the "abridged script" of She's All That (done by the site The Editing Room):

FREDDIE PRINZE JR.
(loudly for stupid audience)
IN FACT, I’LL BET I CAN TAKE ANYONE TO THE PROM AND MAKE THEM QUEEN, BUT LEARN TO LOVE THEM FOR REAL IN THE END.

FREDDIE’S ANNOYING FRIEND
You’s trippin, homey. I’s be bettin you’s can’t.

FREDDIE PRINZE JR.
It’s a bet. Pick the girl.

FREDDIE’S ANNOYING FRIEND
How about the fat, butt-grabbing, nose- piercing, megaslut bitch that just murdered three kids last period?

FREDDIE PRINZE JR.
Hmm. No. Oh, hey, how about the obviously good looking girl over there wearing glasses and a bad haircut?

FREDDIE’S ANNOYING FRIEND
Sounds good.

AUDIENCE
Well, it’s about damned time someone made a movie with this plot.

(Anonymous) 2011-11-09 04:27 pm (UTC)(link)
SA

Iirc Shaolin Soccer plays with the trope somewhat -- the initially painfully shy woman in question is attractive in the end, no doubt, but when the main character first gives her a "no no really if you stood up straight and look at me" speech, when she does so... her close-up shows acne and flies buzzing around her. Ok, so, makeover -- but she ends up looking garish and is teased about it. She starts to wilt; they stop, embarrassed because they realize the effort she put into it -- and then she starts vogueing, and everyone, including her, starts laughing. I think she might have one of those "attractive-reveal" parts, but she's dressed formally and confidently. And at the end, she's shaved herself bald which I think helped her with being an awesome goalie, which was most important to her. It's been a while, so I may be misremembering parts or missed some not-awesome subtext, but overall I just remember her being ultimately comfortable in her own skin.

(Anonymous) 2011-11-09 01:07 am (UTC)(link)
I'm interest in doing something like that, but I'm stumped on what to do besides laying out the basic premise. :I

(Anonymous) 2011-11-09 01:12 am (UTC)(link)
Read A Song of Ice and Fire. Jaime and Brienne (the handsome blond knight and the ridiculously tall, hideous girl) would be just your thing.

[identity profile] stepsister.livejournal.com 2011-11-09 02:09 am (UTC)(link)
Yesss, I was thinking exactly of this.

[identity profile] agnes-bean.livejournal.com 2011-11-09 02:10 am (UTC)(link)
Yep. Sadly the only example of this trope with genders reversed that I can think of off the top of my head, but it's a good one.

[identity profile] rosehiptea.livejournal.com 2011-11-09 01:21 am (UTC)(link)
I came here to say this.

(Anonymous) 2011-11-09 02:00 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah it's pretty much a constant message that girls are the one who should see the good on the inside, even though they themselves MUST be beautiful on the outside.

And the beautiful girls are also often way too generic looking, there are all sorts of beautiful girls out their they just aren't the "standard" beauty so you wouldn't see them being told how beautiful they are.
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[identity profile] sensualcoco.livejournal.com 2011-11-09 03:02 am (UTC)(link)
mte

[identity profile] countess-k.livejournal.com 2011-11-09 02:58 am (UTC)(link)
Damn you beat me to it. Yes, I'm tired of the B&B trope precisely because it's gender biased. It's always the woman who is expected to see past the beast and into the inner beauty. Why is it that men never should love an ugly woman for her inner beauty and not because she's gonna pull an ugly duckling act in the end?

[identity profile] urplesquirrel.livejournal.com 2011-11-09 03:06 am (UTC)(link)
Ccame here to say pretty much exactly this. The normal formula seems to feed into the idea that guys deserve a bombshell, no matter what they look like themselves.

(Anonymous) 2011-11-09 03:46 am (UTC)(link)
THIS THIS THIS.

[identity profile] spam-27.livejournal.com 2011-11-09 03:33 am (UTC)(link)
Ugly is, of course, subjective. Especially in a drawn medium.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsrkg8fvJ81r0np08o1_500.png

[identity profile] dinerstate.livejournal.com 2011-11-09 03:36 am (UTC)(link)
So much this. I don't dislike the trope but since it's invariably ugly dude+hot chick it gets tired very easily. I would pay money to see the reverse, though.

SPOILERS FOR GLEE

(Anonymous) 2011-11-09 04:06 am (UTC)(link)
idk if you give a shit about glee, but from the newest episode it looks like they are giving Bieste a hot boyfriend, so there's that.

But it's glee so they'll fuck it up immediately (if they ever decide to go back to the storyline. they might just forget about it. who knows?)

[identity profile] prozacpark.livejournal.com 2011-11-09 04:59 am (UTC)(link)
"Howl's Moving Castle" is an excellent (and the only, as far as I know.) gender-reversed version of it.

[identity profile] poisontea.livejournal.com 2011-11-09 12:52 pm (UTC)(link)
There's an extra story in the back of the first volume of Kare Kano that might fit the bill! It's called The Tiger and the Chameleon: A Promise For One Week. I don't think she was ugly, personally, but she was drawn with more plain/not traditionally attractive features (a longer face for one) and lacked confidence/thought she was ugly/thought other people thought she was ugly. The guy is drawn much prettier and is "cool" and confident. They come together when he accidentally breaks her glasses, and volunteers to help her out and "be her eyes" for a week until she can get new ones.

It's really, really short, but I liked it because she didn't really get a makeover -- she did eventually ditch the glasses, but that was more symbolic because she'd been hiding behind them for so long -- she just gained confidence, and he never judged her for her appearance. It may not quite be a full-blown B&B story, but I thought it was really cute.

(Anonymous) 2011-11-09 11:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Came here to say something like this.

[identity profile] saya-aensland.livejournal.com 2011-11-10 08:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Once upon a time, I was trying to write an original story. The story never got past the world-building stage, but I remember I put two characters in for no other reason that I wanted a gender-flipped Beauty and the Beast.

The guy was a reasonably good-looking violent gang member with a Napoleon complex. The chick was a shy, sweet, vaguely reptilian monster who could crush the guy's head with a single prodigiously clawed hand.

They met online and were hopelessly in love. They were also the only canon couple in the whole story.

They were tremendously shallow characters, but damnit, I liked them.