[ SECRET POST #1771 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1771 ⌋


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Comments

[fscom.livejournal.com]

34. http://i44.tinypic.com/2ic7ghs.png

[amph87.livejournal.com]

IA, I have a fondness for the B&B trope but for once I'd love to see a version where the girl is ugly :(

[(Anonymous)]

There are plenty of stories like that, it's just she never gets to stay ugly. She always gets made over before getting the hot guy.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm interest in doing something like that, but I'm stumped on what to do besides laying out the basic premise. :I

[(Anonymous)]

Read A Song of Ice and Fire. Jaime and Brienne (the handsome blond knight and the ridiculously tall, hideous girl) would be just your thing.

[rosehiptea.livejournal.com]

I came here to say this.

+1

[stunt-muppet.livejournal.com]

Me too.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah it's pretty much a constant message that girls are the one who should see the good on the inside, even though they themselves MUST be beautiful on the outside.

And the beautiful girls are also often way too generic looking, there are all sorts of beautiful girls out their they just aren't the "standard" beauty so you wouldn't see them being told how beautiful they are.

[countess-k.livejournal.com]

Damn you beat me to it. Yes, I'm tired of the B&B trope precisely because it's gender biased. It's always the woman who is expected to see past the beast and into the inner beauty. Why is it that men never should love an ugly woman for her inner beauty and not because she's gonna pull an ugly duckling act in the end?

[urplesquirrel.livejournal.com]

Ccame here to say pretty much exactly this. The normal formula seems to feed into the idea that guys deserve a bombshell, no matter what they look like themselves.

[spam-27.livejournal.com]

Ugly is, of course, subjective. Especially in a drawn medium.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsrkg8fvJ81r0np08o1_500.png

[dinerstate.livejournal.com]

So much this. I don't dislike the trope but since it's invariably ugly dude+hot chick it gets tired very easily. I would pay money to see the reverse, though.

SPOILERS FOR GLEE

[(Anonymous)]

idk if you give a shit about glee, but from the newest episode it looks like they are giving Bieste a hot boyfriend, so there's that.

But it's glee so they'll fuck it up immediately (if they ever decide to go back to the storyline. they might just forget about it. who knows?)

[prozacpark.livejournal.com]

"Howl's Moving Castle" is an excellent (and the only, as far as I know.) gender-reversed version of it.

[poisontea.livejournal.com]

There's an extra story in the back of the first volume of Kare Kano that might fit the bill! It's called The Tiger and the Chameleon: A Promise For One Week. I don't think she was ugly, personally, but she was drawn with more plain/not traditionally attractive features (a longer face for one) and lacked confidence/thought she was ugly/thought other people thought she was ugly. The guy is drawn much prettier and is "cool" and confident. They come together when he accidentally breaks her glasses, and volunteers to help her out and "be her eyes" for a week until she can get new ones.

It's really, really short, but I liked it because she didn't really get a makeover -- she did eventually ditch the glasses, but that was more symbolic because she'd been hiding behind them for so long -- she just gained confidence, and he never judged her for her appearance. It may not quite be a full-blown B&B story, but I thought it was really cute.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not really because they are choosing between "girl falls for handsome guy" and "girl falls for not handsome guy".

The problem is that so many plots do not go much beyond the "look past his looks and fall in love with the person inside" premise. They just take the premise and cling to it desperately, instead of relying on good writing.

It's not something endemic just to that particular premise, but people will notice it more in there because, at least with the "handsome guy bit", they can be distracted by the ~pretty~, but in the "beautiful on the inside, not on the outside", people are looking specifically for good writing.

They're paying attention to how the relationship is going to work, and, let's be frank, most writing in media SUCKS. The good stuff is not the majority.

[(Anonymous)]

It's kind of like with anything else. If I eat the same thing for dinner every night, I'm going to get tired of it. I like this song better than that song, but if I listen to it enough, I'm going to get tired of it. If I read the same damn plot in enough fic, I'm going to get tired of it.

And let's face it, lots of fiction that uses the Beauty and the Beast trope has the same damn plot. And that plot is every bit as tiresome to people who have read enough of it as the normal formula of Attractive Person A gets Attractive Person B is to you.

[kallanda-lee.livejournal.com]

I agree - I'd just like to see more modern, more interesting stories based on the trope. And by modern I don't mean "The exact same story, but set in 2011".

[lashiec.livejournal.com]

I'm just tired of the Ugly Guy Hot Wife trope. SWITCH IT UP.

And no, "Hollywood Ugly" girl that magically gets smoking hot doesn't count. Maybe someone who isn't conventionally beautiful (note I said conventionally, I often prefer these women over the "typical" ones). Someone who has lots of character (Roseanne, Better Milder) and can really steal the show.

[xelestri.livejournal.com]

For me, the main problem with Beauty and the Beast isn't the ugly guy/hot girl trope, it's the abusive nature of that particular relationship. It bothers me to see people romanticize their story, and ignore the parts where Beast yelled at her, threatened her, locked her up, and held her father prisoner to get his way, which was to basically force one of the only women who'd come anywhere near his castle since his curse to stay around him so he could attempt to break his curse.

Very, very squicky.

[velvet-mace.livejournal.com]

People's responses to romances is about the most varied I've ever seen for any genre. I don't think there's anything wrong with what you like, but I wouldn't be so quick at judging people who don't find it to float their boat. It's just one of those areas that just you have to learn to let it go. One person's hot and wonderful is anothers boring, or icky, or annoying.

[sensualcoco.livejournal.com]

I'd rather watch a movie where two average looking people like each other due to their intellectually simulating conversation. I think that's kind of romantic.

But maybe that's just me.

[althea]

I just have a thing for the "opposites attract" trope, as well as probably every variation of "young woman + scary whatever"--see my default icon for another example (I'm also fond of the descent of Persephone and most iterations of the Death and the Maiden theme).

While I do agree that it'd be nice to see the genders swapped (Jaime/Brienne, mentioned above, is the only such example I can think of and it's one of my favorite ASOIAF relationships), there's something to be said for the archetypal significance of a beautiful young woman as symbolic of life and regeneration in the face of ugliness and death. And I'm gonna shut up now because the fact that I just used the term "archetypal significance" in a thread about a Disney secret indicates that I may be getting carried away.

[streetcake.livejournal.com]

Like others have said, it's more about how it's always the girl looking past the boy's appearance and never the other way around that makes people dislike it.

I don't think it's a bad trope. Like a lot of other tropes, its only problem is a lack of equal opportunity.

I love it, though. I love finding a person's character attractive and then finding their appearance attractive as a result, rather than the other way around. Reading a story where one half of the pair is hideous or monstrous and the struggle to look past that is 10x more difficult but they do and then they eventually love each other for who they are(and maybe even find them attractive as a result) is just-hrnnng-so sweet!

[spam-27.livejournal.com]

I think there is something to be said about the idea that there seems to be a good amount of women into the trope but not men into the reverse. I like Monster guy/normal woman (to a degree) so I'll draw it/write about it.

Guys just seems to be more visual than women.