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⌈ Secret Post #1775 ⌋

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This one actually made me both giggle, and want to give you a brofist.

In college, I took a creative writing class where we were required to submit one of our pieces to a publisher. I loved the anthologies, but hadn't read any of MZB's stuff beyond Lythande, and I thought, hey! Why not!? Some of my favorite authors were "discovered" by her, so, what the hell? What's the worst that could happen? She could send it back with an industry standard refusal form letter, and I get my grade, right?

Or she could, y'know, send my manuscript back with about six millions edits done in multiple colors of CRAYON, and hand-written notes about how much I suck as a writer AND a person, and how my prof should be ashamed to let talentless hacks like me submit things to professionals, because it makes THEM look as bad I am.

Kinda wish I'd kept it now; was a hilarious conversation piece, with all the crayon scribbles and notes.

tl;dr?

Hells yes.

Wow, considering some of the stuff she printed in those anthologies I'm surprised she edited anything.

A lot of the stories in Sword and Sorceress were great, and I'd also say I enjoyed them much better than her own work. But a few of them were really bad and there were plenty that could have used editing.

(In all honesty, I never read some of her more famous work, just some fairly "meh" short stories and a novel about a psychic. But I thought that sucked so much I never tried her other stuff.)

Aw, man, that's kind of sad! I liked Lythande and I liked the Mists of Avalon and even Firebrand (though I never did get into her other stuff like the sci-fi junk) so it makes me a little sad that she was totally unprofessional like that. How uncool.

BUT as a conversation piece, that is kind of hilarious.

That....is hilarious beyond words. Oh my goodness. It's even funnier seeing how you're a freaking student; a bet her ego grew three sizes that day when she put you in your place.

Lol'ing here. Crayon, really? Wow, how professional. And saying you're a sucky person b/c of what you WROTE? That's pure comedy gold coming from her since she was married to and covering for a pedophile irl. I'm sorry but the irony is unbelievable.

Go here to learn more if ya wanna: http://www.sff.net/people/stephen.goldin/mzb/ At least you don't hafta feel yucky about being published by her as one of my friends does.

*shaking my head still in disbelief*

I'm not sure if I'm glad that I didn't know this until now, or pissed at myself, because that is one of my glaring, major, size-of-Juipter Red Button Issues.

I can't believe you didn't keep that-- I would have, if just for the years and years of lolz it would provide. That's priceless.

Well, at the time, I was a young, horribly emo little shit with delusions of grandeur, so... yeah, I'll admit it: her notes and comments hurt. I kept it just long enough to get my grade, and to show my closest friends for the sympathy, and then I burned it. (I did mention the emo part, right?)

Ah, the follies of youth.

That's priceless. May I metaquote?

Sure. Goferit.

There :
http://metaquotes.livejournal.com/7552301.html

I only read MZB for the non-con and slash and the mental and physical slavery, because damn if those aren't my kinks. So there wasn't much point in me reading her anthologies of people who weren't her. Chances are poor they'd be brave enough to include all the fetishy things which were the sole reason for me reading her in the first place.

Occasionally I read them again (I have a whole lot of her books) but compared to what I can find in fandom, her stuff seems a bit tame to me. LOL.

I don't know if she's a douche or not. I try not to learn too much about the people who give me what I enjoy. I hate to have their lives taint my fiction.

You are SO not alone. MZB should have stuck to editing, and left the actual writing to people who were better at it. Creepy personal politics aside, her prose was clunky and repetitive, and most of her POV characters were far too convinced of their own superiority to ever really be sympathetic. That said, she was pretty damn good at recognizing talent in other people.

Oh, that's but a tiny part of my MZB's a douche. She covered for her husband being pedophile irl. Excerpt from http://www.sff.net/people/stephen.goldin/mzb/ : MARRION ZIMMER BRADLEY was a noted science fiction and fantasy author, with best-sellers to her credit and a large number of adoring fans. But MZB, as she was often called, had far less savory aspects to her as well. Most notably, she actively aided and abetted her husband, Walter Breen, in the sexual abuse and molestation of children. Before people cast too many tears over her death, they may wish to learn some of the harm she helped perpetrate in the world as well.

You can check out a timeline of events and read MZB's excerpted testimony to learn how she behaved in this matter. You can also read the complete text of the sworn testimony she gave at her first two (out of three) depositions in a case against her, just to show we didn't omit anything significant. (The third deposition will be posted if and when we get a copy in digital form; it's equally revealing.) The only editing that has been done to the full text version is to disguise the names of people that had not previously been published in connection with these activities. Otherwise, the text is exactly as the court reporter typed it, with all the repetitions, evasions and lawyers' wranglings that occur during such events. It's tough slogging, but the truth is in there.

In the excerpts you'll see that MZB admits having deliberately covered up her husband's involvement in activities she knew were illegal and harmful. She took some pains to tell Walter not to molest her own children, but she didn't care in the least what he did to other children. Readers will be able to judge for themselves the sort of moral character this woman possessed.

Other links:
Timeline of Events: http://www.sff.net/people/stephen.goldin/mzb/timeline.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_Zimmer_Bradley
http://www.sff.net/people/stephen.goldin/mzb/reply.html

She did a lot of good in other areas of her life but I don't know. Her books I will happily pirate if I feel the need to reread them to prevent Ms. Waters and others of her ilk from getting any money.

So it's okay to steal from people who have done other bad things? I mean, I guess it's somewhat different if you already pirate regularly, but really?

Ignoring the issue of pirating vs. stealing, I'd consider it much more unethical to contribute money to an enabler of a child molester than to acquire a copy of something without paying for it.

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