[ SECRET POST #1818 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1818 ⌋


Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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Notes:

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Comments

[shishmish.livejournal.com]

Does it matter? The problem the OP has and lots of others have is how some fans are responding to her by saying she's a Devil Woman and they're upset she might be getting in the way of their slash pairing.

[fenm.livejournal.com]

And what I'm saying is, regardless of how she is in canon; given that so many interpretations have her coming on to him, kissing him, and in some cases just outright having them be lovers, I can see where they're coming from.

[(Anonymous)]

But that doesn't justify their out-and-out vindictiveness towards her. It's disgusting to see how vile some people can be about a FICTIONAL CHARACTER. And some of them are getting genuinely upset about it.

[fenm.livejournal.com]

Yeas, you're right, that is ridiculous. I honestly just ignore Irene for the most part.

[(Anonymous)]

What does it matter? She's a FICTIONAL CHARACTER. Someone hates her, big whoop.

[tamburlaine.livejournal.com]

She's a very sexual lady. That was never not inferred in canon. And in the previews it didn't look like Sherlock was that interested in Irene sexually, so really the concept looks moot and looks to stay that way. They respect eachother's intelligence, but in canon Irene was arguably testing the waters to see if something sexual would come of it. It didn't break her heart when nothing did.

I'm hoping that's how it'll play out in the BBC version, because that's more or less how I see it in the canon version (given what Victorian serial mysteries permitted through nuanced language.)

And yes, for the record, I'm a purist, and see Sherlock as asexual, so I have no *serious* qualms with John/Sherlock other than the fact that I think it's a little... predictable by now. That's not where my complaint is coming from, in other words.

[tweedisgood.livejournal.com]

in canon Irene was arguably testing the waters to see if something sexual would come of it

Really? Not sure where in SCAN that can be argued from, to be honest. She interacts with him only when he is in disguise and in a very unsexual way - a working class witness at her wedding, then as an elderly, injured clergyman. She clearly relishes getting the better of him intellectually, but I don't see any more than that going on.

[tamburlaine.livejournal.com]

That's true, my mistake I suppose (X-Mas drunk and also INFURIATED about this weird new commenting layout) but though at the time period it wouldn't have been written that way, I can't imagine that a character such as she would not test the waters given the opportunity. She also wrote a letter to him in her secret hiding space that, when I read I first read it at age 8, saw something flirtatious/mischievous, despite her having run off and gotten married.

That was how I read it at age 8, and that's the way it's going to stay in my headcanon. I don't know if she ever closed the door on the possibility of something with Holmes, since she had been investigating his methods long before the King sought his services. So look, I don't ship them, I don't ship anyone with Holmes, but all of this is up to interpretation I suppose. Obviously there were constraints on writing more sexually-charged scenes between the two of them in Victorian serials, so some of us just have to settle for Holmes taking his photo of Irene as the equivalent as some sort of *stirring*, if we choose to interpret it that way.

Anyway I've had enough of this argument. In a nutshell: In Victorian times, and even now, given our relatively low status in society, I think it's not beyond the realm of possibility that "relish[ing] getting the better of [Holmes] intellectually" is, for a woman, a turn-on.