[ SECRET POST #1832 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1832 ⌋


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Comments

[kindlycoyote.livejournal.com]

Here is the problem I have with this train of thought-

To not 'pick up the stick' is to not think critically of what you are reading, which (in my opinion) is never good. Also, your metaphor is implying that well-meant crit is like poking someone with a stick. No, a insult is like poking someone with a stick.

Admittedly, as someone who is trying to become a professional author, I find it horrifying how many people hate criticism. You will never get better as a writer if you do not receive it, and once more, by hating it and calling the person names you are acting cruelly for your own failings.

It's like if someone was walking around with lettuce stuck in their teeth, or their fly undone. It's embarrassing when people see it, but if you have any sense you would be glad if a person points it out so that you can correct it. If you can get over that moment of 'OMG SO EMBARRASSING', you can fix it and move on and be grateful.

My biggest problem is that the train of thought you presented not only blames someone for being well-meaning, or at least free-thinking, but excuses those who act like brats when faced with something that is common to daily life, like water to writers, and is inevitable on the internet. You post something, you should be aware and prepared for it if someone criticizes your work. End of story.

[santagrover.livejournal.com]

but see, you're one of the people on the mature end of the spectrum who can handle concrit, and probably very graciously. try thinking about the writers are just doing it for fun and can't be assed to change a few mistakes, who don't serve to benefit from concrit, who think you're just being really rude when you're offering them some nitpicks

a lot of people aren't able to get over the 'OMG SO EMBARRASSING' moment

i dunno i'm just a really passive person when it comes to dealing with problems, in general. let me go off on a tangent and say that some of this probably stems from my family values. i grew up in a social setting that prized conformity and condemned most forms of critical thought. you weren't supposed to correct your teachers in class, all that jazz. makes you sound like an ungrateful smart aleck, you know?

[santagrover.livejournal.com]

ahh reading my comment again and please pardon the awkward phrasing; i wasn't calling you a smart aleck, rather just the kids who used to correct the teachers in class

if that made any sense

idk i come off as pretty confusing most of the time

[kindlycoyote.livejournal.com]

No, no, I get it. Besides, IRL I sometimes (without meaning to) do come of as a Smart Aleck. I was the kid who corrected the pastor on his interpretation of scripture and using the same verses he did showed him exactly how he was wrong. Politely, yes, but I still get some warm fuzzies when thinking of his gobsmacked look. (Of course, I am also a little brattier when it comes to people misusing holy writing in general, as that actually affects people's entire lives).

And don't get me wrong. I believe firmly in the Praise-Crit-Praise approach. You don't go in and crit people without telling them what you liked about their work. If you don't have anything nice to say, it's better not to say anything at all and all that jazz. (Plus, if it's really so horribly bad that there isn't anything nice you can say, most likely they aren't mature enough to handle crit as they don't seem to be mature enough to really think through a story, so it's a waste to say anything in that case. At that point anything you say will cause drama.)

Not to mention if a person says they are doing it just for fun, then yeah, person should shut up and hold their peace. Or if it's a gift. Criticizing a gift is a no-no unless they ask for it.

And I did grow up in a house that encouraged free thinking and asking questions, but I don't think it is wrong to be passive (in most cases). I just think it's not quite right to criticize someone for not being passive, or to criticize someone for being passive (once again, in most cases). Now, being mean? Hell yeah, criticize the hell outta that.

Now, whether or not it is smart to criticize in different circumstances is a whole other ball of wax, so I am certainly not debating that the OP was smart in that instance to crit a BNF. But that is a whole different issue entirely. ;)

[(Anonymous)]

I agree, but there are also times when the corrector is wrong and then you just lose faith in humanity.

Of course, there are also the bullheaded people who make mistakes and then refuse to accept concrit as truth. No, Angela Merkel is not the president of Germany and Deng Xiaoping was not alive in 1820, you idiot, you want to say and then you contemplate throttling them through the Internet.

[kindlycoyote.livejournal.com]

Oh, definitely. I always at least think about crit for a couple seconds despite my initial reaction, but I always encourage myself and others to know when another is wrong.

Hell, my own professor in my creative lit course was horribly wrong on one of her points toward me! Even if every other person in that room hadn't agreed with me I would have known she was wrong simply because I knew my story. Sometimes the corrector is just coming from a completely different place so they can't see it clearly whether because they prefer something very different or have a opposing worldview.

And heck, sometimes people correcting stuff can be horribly ignorant and even offensive! ('No women could ever like football lol', for one specific instance that still makes me roll my eyes. Especially since in this case it was canon. )

And yes, those people who can't except that they are wrong about blatant facts are horrifyingly annoying as well. I tend to block anyone I see acting like a dick to simple corrections (when phrased nicely) because I like my fandom to be a happy place. :D