[ SECRET POST #1832 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1832 ⌋


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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Am I the only one thinks this one had less gay subtext? And that a lot of people are projecting onto it/viewing the movie through slash goggles? Yeah, I know, Holmes is always invading Waston's personal space, they dance, and that fight on the train. But none of that screamed romantic or sexual to me; I thought it just showed how important they are to each other, and how Holmes and Waston are in really close emotional/platonic relationship. It reminded me of me and my best friend.

[ypsilon42.livejournal.com]

Oh, I think there was tons of subtext(maybe even more than in the first film), but it was more played for laughs than to be taken serious. I mean, the scene on the train? Full of intentional gay subtext, but at the same time it was not there to be taken serious.

In the first movie, Holmes could easily be interpreted as having (unrequited) feelings for Watson. With the second movie to me it felt, as if they did all the subtext intentionally, but at the same time never taking the idea seriously.

(Wow, just as I am typing this, I realize how much I disagree with the OP of the secret.)

[(Anonymous)]

"With the second movie to me it felt, as if they did all the subtext intentionally, but at the same time never taking the idea seriously. "

This. The second movie paradoxically pulled of unsubtle subtext. It has the feeling of a marketing ploy.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with this. I don't know if it was the way it was filmed, or the way it was written, but the whole thing felt like a joke to me. In the first movie the friendship was sweet and very close (though Watson was trying to break away). But in the second movie it seemed like the gay subtext was intentionally written to be funny. Holmes lying next to Watson on a train, dressed in drag, makeup slathered onto his face, saying "lie with me Watson" is just...I can't take that sort of shit seriously because it only seemed to exist to make the audience laugh.

The leg over Watson's shoulder to simulate gay sex (because what man puts his leg over another man's shoulder when they're wrestling?!) also seemed to be there for laughs.

Same goes for the ballroom scene. The way Holmes casually puts his arm out and starts dancing with Watson (not too close together though! People might get the wrong idea!) was just so cringe-worthy that there's no way it wasn't done for laughs (and the audience in my cinema thought that scene was hilarious - two men dancing together, oh the hilarity!)

[(Anonymous)]

Same goes for the ballroom scene. The way Holmes casually puts his arm out and starts dancing with Watson (not too close together though! People might get the wrong idea!) was just so cringe-worthy that there's no way it wasn't done for laughs (and the audience in my cinema thought that scene was hilarious - two men dancing together, oh the hilarity!)

See, apart from one or two gleeful giggles, both times I saw the film (family then friends), most people went 'awwwww' when they danced together, and the guys in front of me during the second viewing actually really enjoyed it, going as far as to discuss who'd teach who to dance if they were Holmes/Watson.

tbh, I wouldn't say it was played for laughs, but maybe that the reaction to the scene depends on the audience viewing it and their background/experiences regarding male interactions.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I guess it depends on the audience. The whole cinema burst into laughter when I went to see it, and I actually got elbowed by the person sitting next to me because he was chuckling so hard at the "oh my god this is so gay".

[(Anonymous)]

I thought there was more gay subtext in the second movie, but I guess it depends where you see it.
In my case, I could not tell you where everyone see the gay in the train scene (seriously. Holmes is disguised as a woman, so what?), but just look at the marriage scene, or how Holmes can't help but bring back the topic of their relationship everytime he and Watson have a bit of free time together, and there's the gay not-even-subtext for me.

[heretherebefic.livejournal.com]

It's less that Holmes is disguised as a woman and more that Watson rips Holmes's shirt off and ends up with his head between Holmes's legs, and then Holmes tells Watson to "lie down with me."

[(Anonymous)]

well, I went to see it with my mom (age 60, republican), who actually hasn't seen the first one/doesn't know much of anything about the characters (I was just in town for my birthday and we wanted to go to the movies, and I wanted to see Sherlock), and at the end of the movie she said "so, if they're gay, why did one of them get married?"
So I don't think you really need the slash goggles. Unless my mom has something she's not telling me.