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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-01-13 07:20 pm

[ SECRET POST #1837 ]


⌈ Secret Post #1837 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02. [broken link]


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[Robin Of Sherwood/Michael Praed]


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[Glee]


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[We Got Married - Ga In (Brown Eyed Girls)/Jo Kwon (2AM)]


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[Buzz Lightyear of Star Command]


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09. http://i.imgur.com/8DbqS.png
[linked for nudity/kind of porny]


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[Josh Groban and Andrea Bocelli]


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[Beast Wars, Megatron]


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[Magic Mike]


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16. [repeat]


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[Harry Potter & Little House on the Prairie]


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[X-Men: First Class]


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[Death Note]


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25. [SPOILERS for something, OP did not specify]



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26. [SPOILERS for Vampire Hunter D]



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27. [SPOILERS for Christmas Doctor Who and New Year's Sherlock]



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28. [TRIGGER WARNING for rape]
[SPOILERS for Loveless]



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29. [TRIGGER WARNING for abuse]



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30. [TRIGGER WARNING for rape]



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31. [TRIGGER WARNING for rape, animal cruelty]



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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 000 secrets from Secret Submission Post #262.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

[identity profile] fenm.livejournal.com 2012-01-14 04:51 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I've said elsewhere the "The Woman" thing bugged me, though for different reasons: It's taking a minor thing from canon, something that's almost an in-joke, really, and making it... pointlessly obvious, is the best way I can think to put it.

I don't know if Moffat has tried to say Sherlock is straight, though he's doing his damnedest to to portray him as such.

[identity profile] curseangel.livejournal.com 2012-01-14 05:01 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I get that. For me, it's.. all about the fact that in the canon, "the woman" is the title she earns by beating Sherlock. He calls her that because she so eclipses other women in cleverness to him (which is, well, misogynistic, but then again, when the stories were written..). To demote it to her working title as a sex worker.. makes it sexual and also discounts its importance.

Yeah. Which really bothers me, if only because he doesn't read that way to me. Thank god we have Gatiss to love us, may he write all the episodes ever from now on.

[identity profile] fenm.livejournal.com 2012-01-14 05:10 am (UTC)(link)
In fairness, only four people beat Holmes, and one of them was a woman. I imagine a lot of Doyle's contemporaries wouldn't have even done that much.

And, yeah, she doesn't really earn the title in this. d-:

[identity profile] curseangel.livejournal.com 2012-01-14 05:19 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, yeah. I'm not criticizing Doyle here - for the time, the story was really quite progressive, I think.

Not at all :\ which bothered me possibly more than anything else, because it got right to the heart of how wrong it all was. And it really was just... all wrong.

[identity profile] fenm.livejournal.com 2012-01-14 05:28 am (UTC)(link)
Re: Doyle: Ah, ok. (-:

Yeah, I have all sorts of issues with the portrayal of Adler. And the episode in general, really.

[identity profile] fenm.livejournal.com 2012-01-14 09:05 pm (UTC)(link)
the title she earns by beating Sherlock.

There is one thing I really want to point out here:

In canon, the worst thing Irene did (iirc) is... own a picture she COULD have used to blackmail a king.

In BBC Sherlock Irene:
Tried to blackmail a government official. Not just "could have" She DID. And almost succeeded.
Was responsible for the death of at least one woman (that body Sherlock saw in the morgue had to come from somewhere...)
Worked with Sherlock's greatest enemy, and it's implied that if he had had any demands, she would have made Sherlock, Mycroft, and god knows who else, carry them out.

So, yeah, the "she was defeated by her womanly emotions" thing is pretty sickening, but, honestly THIS version of Irene is NOT a nice person, and possibly a cold-blooded murderer (the show never really bothers to go into how she obtained that body--we're just supposed to not care about one woman's death, as long as Irene is alive cuz she's so awesome!), and it's actually a good thing she didn't win.
Edited 2012-01-14 21:06 (UTC)

[identity profile] curseangel.livejournal.com 2012-01-14 09:13 pm (UTC)(link)
I agree with you, really, but I do think that portraying her that way was one of the essential failings of Moffat's writing and of the episode... not to mention pretty sexist and ridiculous to begin with.

When I was watching the episode I actually started kind of snarking on this -- "Of course Irene is evil here, Sherlock can't face anyone who isn't totally bad!" Ugh.

[identity profile] fenm.livejournal.com 2012-01-14 09:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, making her so villainous is a problem in and of itself...

Honestly, the only villain in Sherlock that I would ever want to see again was the cabbie from the first episode (and that's certainly not happening...). All the other villains were either boring or annoying. And that includes Jim.