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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-01-13 07:20 pm

[ SECRET POST #1837 ]


⌈ Secret Post #1837 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02. [broken link]


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[Robin Of Sherwood/Michael Praed]


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[Glee]


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[We Got Married - Ga In (Brown Eyed Girls)/Jo Kwon (2AM)]


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[Buzz Lightyear of Star Command]


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09. http://i.imgur.com/8DbqS.png
[linked for nudity/kind of porny]


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[Josh Groban and Andrea Bocelli]


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[Beast Wars, Megatron]


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[Magic Mike]


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16. [repeat]


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[Harry Potter & Little House on the Prairie]


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[X-Men: First Class]


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[Death Note]


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25. [SPOILERS for something, OP did not specify]



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26. [SPOILERS for Vampire Hunter D]



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27. [SPOILERS for Christmas Doctor Who and New Year's Sherlock]



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28. [TRIGGER WARNING for rape]
[SPOILERS for Loveless]



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29. [TRIGGER WARNING for abuse]



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30. [TRIGGER WARNING for rape]



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31. [TRIGGER WARNING for rape, animal cruelty]



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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 000 secrets from Secret Submission Post #262.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

(Anonymous) 2012-01-14 07:45 pm (UTC)(link)
I think a lot of people missed the point of her relationship with Sherlock and why he was able to defeat her. Irene loved him in the same way John does, while Sherlock loved her intelligence and the fact that she was a challenge. However, she couldn't hide her true emotions as well as him because no one can. It had nothing to do with being a woman.

[identity profile] curseangel.livejournal.com 2012-01-14 08:24 pm (UTC)(link)
But the issue is that her "loving Sherlock the way John does" inherently makes her a lesbian who has fallen for a man, which is a pretty regular, really offensive and skeezy straight male fantasy, and a stereotype/trope that's seen all too regularly in media. You know, the lesbian who just needs to "find the right man"? If Irene hadn't been a lesbian, her falling for Sherlock wouldn't have mattered, really, but making her a lesbian who falls for a man is really, really gross and skeevy.

Ditto, the whole "woman fails because her emotions get the better of her" schtick is a common sexist trope, and utilizing it here - especially when in the canon literature Irene beats Sherlock - is gross and misogynistic. It makes the connection to the usual trope of women not being able to control their emotions, where men are "logical" and can, and thus men are shown as "better" and "stronger" than women.

So yeah, it has everything to do with her being a woman.

(Anonymous) 2012-01-14 10:12 pm (UTC)(link)
But there was nothing sexual about her feelings for Sherlock. She felt drawn to him because of her love for detective stories and playing games. I don't see that as a woman "looking for a man". I'm a lesbian, and I wasn't offended by it. I actually loved how they didn't make a fuss about her being a lesbian.

She did beat him though. If you look at it as several stages to the game rather than one continuous thread, she beat him many times throughout the episode. He was able to figure out the passcode, but at the end of the day he still fucked up and as a result no one really came out as the victor. They would probably continue on like that forever.

Again, it wasn't because he's a man. It's because he's SHERLOCK. Anyone in Irene's position wouldn't be able to control how their body reacts to someone. I agree with the general consensus that Moffat isn't the best at writing women characters, but imo people are going too far with the accusations made from this episode.

[identity profile] fenm.livejournal.com 2012-01-14 10:25 pm (UTC)(link)
But there was nothing sexual about her feelings for Sherlock.

The whole scene in front of the fireplace was her trying to get into his pants.

(Anonymous) 2012-01-14 10:57 pm (UTC)(link)
I doubt that's what she was actually trying to do. She was playing the game and making Sherlock vulnerable.