[ SECRET POST #1839 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1839 ⌋


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Comments

[fscom.livejournal.com]

11. http://i40.tinypic.com/9fxnqf.jpg

[making-excuses.livejournal.com]

This is how I feel too dear...

[neko-9786.livejournal.com]

I agree with most of this secret and you have I right to be pissed off with where the character is heading but personally I think that even if Robin had the ability to conceive she still never would have. The episode, it seemed to me, was less about Robin wanting to have kids and more about how the average woman faces up to loss in these situations. Yes having the choice taken away from her was upsetting, but that was the entire point. As someone who has also had the choice taken away from her I thought it was a fairly accurate portrayal of what I had felt and am glad, that as subject matter rarely explored in depth, it was on my tv. In the end she felt loss, not from the fact she couldn't have kids, but because the choice had been taken away from her. Also OP, If Robin had really changed in the future to someone family orientated like you suggest then she would have adopted, instead we know she never did and believes it was the right choice.

[angryscientist.livejournal.com]

Came here to say the same thing, so thanks.

[kindlycoyote.livejournal.com]

Personally, I felt she lost it crying more because that choice was taken away from her than because she actually wanted kids. I thought it was powerful to show exactly how even a choice taken away will affect us. I personally don't care whether I will have biological kids or not, but if that choice was taken from me... I would lose it too. And I honestly don't care, that's the weird thing about us humans.

And if they did that plot with Lily it would have lost a lot of dimension and simply become another member of a already explored area. Not that they couldn't have done it well, but it is a lot less compelling to me.

... Of course, I also think as someone else who identifies with Robin, we will all associate her actions to how we would feel about it. I know sometimes on some things I feel like she is being OOC, and then I go 'Oh, wait. That's just not what I would do! Duh me, she's Robin.' It's kinda natural I think.

[nomorenoodles.livejournal.com]

Personally, I felt she lost it crying more because that choice was taken away from her than because she actually wanted kids.

YES I came here to say exactly this. You are awesome.

It was really interesting to see a character who didn't really want kids have that happen to them. If it had happened to Lily it would just be another cliched oh-woman-wants-babies-but-she-can't-have-them. I know Robin was upset but I don't think it's because she wanted kids; if she really wanted them she wouldn't let being unable to have them biologically stop her.

[unicornherds.livejournal.com]

Your first paragraph, yes. That. Actually, your whole comment.

I was actually pretty pleased with that whole thing. I would have been pissed if they ended her with actually crying because she suddenly realized she really did want a family (since, you know, that's what real women want). Instead, she was happy and just upset about the choice being taken away from her.

[(Anonymous)]

"Being in a relationship with someone "normal" makes the "messy" one even more messed up in the long run."
Eeeh, what? Sorry, that sounds arrogant and kinda unresponsible to me.
I don't know in which way this character is messed up, but why should "normality" mess er up?
Because it confronts her with their differences? Is that always a bad thing?
She doesn't have to chance if she doesn't want to.

[making-excuses.livejournal.com]

Personally for me at least who is all "messed up" (especially emotionally), when having to interact with someone "normal" is really hard work and makes me even more emotionally messed up than when I interact with someone who at least partially understand me.

And for romantic relationships this is even more important, it is easier for me to be in a relationship with someone who isn't completely normal and who understands that sometimes I just want to stay in bed and rewatch random TV shows and not do anything else, than someone who would just tell me to get out of bed and do something productive.

But then again that is just me, and I am not saying that everyone should act and think like I do.

[(Anonymous)]

I guess that's true... probably also depends on what is "normal" and/or standard.
I concider myself relatively normal and would gladly stay with my bf/gf in bed, chill and watch TV ;)
probably not as often as you do (???), but if two people start a relationship, there should be a level of acceptance and understanding of the each other before they enter it.

I like differences- I think both parties can profit from it, but I guess the partner has to be open for our weirdnesses/normality.

[making-excuses.livejournal.com]

Off course it depends on what you consider to be normal.
hehe:) I was just making a random example that didn't really matter, I am more a person who talks a lot and have problems showing and understanding emotions, I base most of my responses to things from what I see on the telly and such. And yes at times I do spend a day in front of my laptop watching telly, but I also have a need to reorganize all my books and that takes a day too and then I really don't like to be disturbed.

Off course there has to be an understanding and differences are okay, what I am trying (badly) to explain is that yes one can be different and happy, but when you have problems like I do, you can't just be with someone who is completely "normal" because even if they tried to understand me, I would just feel bad because of all the times they have had to adjust themselves to my moods and my emotional shortcomings.

Whoa that was TMI... Ah well, back to my Sherlock episode now...

[(Anonymous)]

IA. I think both she and Barney were using the term "messed up" a bit lightly. As in, they both have complicated emotional issues and bizarre lifestyle needs that people other than themselves wouldn't really understand or be able to accommodate. She's fine being like that around her more typical friends, but sharing her whole life with someone normal? I don't think she could ever do it, and I don't think many normal guys could do it. That's partly the reason she and Ted broke up - they loved each other to death, but they could never have given each other what they needed because they couldn't wrap their minds around the other's personalities and desires, no matter how understanding they tried to be. She and Barney, on the other hand, pretty much read each other's minds, and they'd each be able to roll with the other's messed-up-ness because they understand on a personal level what it's like.

[making-excuses.livejournal.com]

Off course they where!

And well I agree with you, and I just randomly use myself as an example constantly, (which I really need to stop doing, too many people know waaay to much about my personal life on the internet as it is) also okay I rambled again, and have nothing other to say than, I agree! (which I guess I already said)

[visp.livejournal.com]

Gonna have to agree that dating her shrink wasn't so kosher, and that Barney and her make a better couple. Also, I think that entire "no kids" episode was a preemptive strike against the studio interfering later to try and make her get baby rabies.

[(Anonymous)]

Didn't she pick Kevin because he really loved her for her, and not "well, we're both fucked so let's be fucked together?" That's how I interpreted that episode, but I haven't rewatched it since it came out. Also, while I see what you and making_excuses might be saying about messed up vs normal and who to date... I dunno. It really depends. I think Robin and Barney, while cute together, could easily just devolve into feeding into each other and reaffirming negative behaviors.

I also agree with what everyone else is saying about her being unable to have kids. Not only is that how a LOT of people act, whether or not they wanted kids, it could easily just be a way to keep her from changing because of something the network or studio or whatever decided "should" happen.

[intrigueing.livejournal.com]

I agree with your first point, but I thought that was kind of the whole point: it was obviously a bad choice, even if it was understandable, and I'm pretty sure she'll realize that soon.

As for the second...well, I think that's jumping to conclusions. The Law Of Inverse Fertility doesn't always apply, sometimes people who have no interest in having kids learn they're infertile, and how are they supposed to react? No matter how far kids are from their mind, do you think anyone would be actually happy to learn they were infertile? It's totally realistic for them to be conflicted and sad because the choice and hypotheticals were torn from them, just as it's realistic for a person who wants kids to feel lost and sad because their hopes and dreams were torn for them. I didn't see any evidence that Robin started pining for kids and being some average woman who suddenly wanted a conventional life. Just because she was sad and wistful doesn't mean she suddenly desperately wanted kids and a regular life. She was shaken because her future suddenly had a door slammed on the path of "motherhood", and even if she wasn't planning on kids, it's understandable for anyone, but ESPECIALLY Robin, who values her freedom to control her own life, be her own person, do whatever the hell she wants, and make her own choices so highly (which ironically is part of the reason she never wanted kids) to be extremely upset over that.

And my statement that she didn't suddenly start wanting a conventional life isn't just my opinion, it's fact: Future!Ted confirmed that in the future between 2011 and 2030, Robin became a famous journalist, a successful businesswoman, a world traveler, and a frickin' bullfighter. Nothing conventional about that at all. And just because she was sad at the news that she couldn't ever have kids (seriously, WHO wouldn't be?), doesn't mean she didn't enjoy that life.

As for all her personal problems and the shit she's gone through: bad things happen to people. It's a rough patch in her life no doubt. I'm sure she'll get through it.

TL;DR: just because Robin was upset about having the choice to control her future torn from her, doesn't mean she suddenly wants a conventional life, and based on Future Ted's spoilers, she had a gloriously unconventional one.