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Let me guess, you also love Light Yagami?

was just gonna ask lol

OP

Never got past the first few episodes of Death Note, but before he went power crazy, yes I liked him (can't really love him when I barely know anything about him). Come to think of it, Light killed criminals in a more merciful way than Lunatic/Yuri does.

Yeah, I'd like to be able to criticise you but I like Dexter Morgan way too much to do that without being a ginormous hypocrite.

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(Anonymous) - 2012-01-16 03:36 (UTC) - Expand

cleverthylacine - 2012-01-16 22:23 (UTC) - Expand

Eh, eventually he starts killing anybody who gets in his way as well.

Anybody. Including good noncorrupt cops, people who criticize him on the news, he fully realizes his god complex, which a lot of folks seem to forget.

Then what do yo suggest we should do to criminals who can easily escape and repeatedly commit crime? If you can think of a better solution, do speak up.

Dude. You seriously.... seriously don't understand the huge problems inherent in vigilantism?

Yes, yes! And the power to decide who lives or dies should be in the hands of one vigilante with huge issues on his own!

How could this ever go wrong?

Ideally? Yes! Realistically? HELL NO.

As Batman points out, once you go down that road you can start justifying a hella lot of stuff. The fact that he is very human and has loads of issues means that I wouldn't trust him to make that decision, as I trust no human to make that decision (unless there is so much freakin' evidence that the disgusting criminal is obvious and it is a horrifying crime. In that case, I do trust the justice system. Sometimes).

The funny thing about Batman is that one can argue that he errs too much in the opposite direction. When you're dealing with homicidal psychopaths who cannot be contained by prisons or psychiatric facilities and will kill again, the ethics get a whole lot more complicated. It is arguable that the moral choice in that scenario would be to kill the Joker.

Definitely agree. However, I personally identify with Batman because I believe I would make the same moral choice (although I would be fine and not interfere should someone else want to do the deed. Because the time and energy spent trying to save a villain, I could spend that time and energy saving people from being mugged in the street).

I think it is a choice that someone shouldn't take lightly, and I would side-eye any vigilante who killed even if I otherwise trusted them. You know, if this was real.

Of course, if I DID have superpowers, I would like Trickster-esque ones that enable me to 'teach a lesson' to the offending party, or at the very least scar them for life. So I doubt that I am exactly morally pure on this matter either. :lol:

Isn't Batman a vigilante.

I mean it seems like he doesn't get to throw this criticism around, especially since the only defend-able usage of a vigilante of any real worth is carrying out extra-judicial killings that the state is unwilling or unable to do.

Those who's corruption is rampant but leaves them untouchable, or otherwise have such a tremendous negative effect that the value in removing them through non-legal purposes outweighs the net negative of such a fundamental violation of the social contract.

And who decides what is "rampant"? Would you really, honestly trust the judgement some random person who decides to go and dish out justice based on his own values? Do you trust him to be always in the right state of mind? Do you trust him to serve society and not his own means?

It's a bit like autocracy vs democracy. Yes, in theory autocracy is more effective and if done right it can be better than democracy because ut cuts down on debate and can silence unsavory voices and opinions. The problem is that it's rarely, if ever, done right because humans are just humans.

No, judges and courts are not infallible either, but at least they're society's own way of dealing with its problems based on rules accepted by the majority of society. Not on the values of some random stranger off the street.

sandor051.livejournal.com - 2012-01-16 01:01 (UTC) - Expand

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kindlycoyote.livejournal.com - 2012-01-16 00:43 (UTC) - Expand

Also remember that Hero TV was able to help criminals escape, in order to profit from Heros trying to stop them.

Also remember that Hero TV was a reality show profiting off of heroes, not a bona fide branch of judiciary.

And fyi, the only person who knew what was going on behind Hero TV was Maverick. The ultimate bad guy.

I wonder how many people would agree if Yuri wasn't a pretty boy with an angsty past.

Look at Rorschach, who's far from being a pretty boy, yet having a fair number of fans. I think vigilantes in general are just very interesting to most people.

And here's the obligatory "you wouldn't like him if he wasn't hot!" comment. People like good-looking characters with angsty backstories, news at 11.

You know, I wonder why so many people cheered when he killed Maverick, yet doesn't agree with his philosophy.

I think it's just more of a "holy shit we hate maverick" thing...

We assume he killed Maverick - he's officially listed as missing...

Haha. I want to agree, to a point...specially when someone like Maverick is around...

But then I feel like I'm disappointing Tiger DX

Plus the stuff people have already said...

Hi, Rorschach.