[ SECRET POST #1839 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1839 ⌋


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Comments

[boxlunch33.livejournal.com]

Wow, lots of people in this thread jumping to conclusions without having even seen the show.

At first I wasn't feeling the new designs and the premise of the show either, but I was pleasantly surprised at how laugh out loud funny the new show is. I'm a huge fan of classic, Golden Age cartoons, and even though it would probably be ideal if we could go back to the way things were...let's face it, it ain't that easy. I'm glad the people behind The Looney Tunes Show are at least making an effort to turn out a decent product. It could have been another phoned in, ridiculous AU like Baby Looney Tunes or Loonatics Unleashed or whatever, but no, they're paying service to the most important aspect of Looney Tunes - the comedy. Are the characters different? Yes, but the characters were always changing in the classic cartoons depending on who was directing.

As for Lola...I have to say, even though I'm a 90s kid like a lot of people in this thread, I can't look at her with nostalgia goggles on anymore. C'mon. Take yourself back to the 90s for a second and look at why she was invented by the suits in charge. Were they trying to make a new, funny, interesting character who was zany and as flawed as the rest of the cast? A cast of characters that have been around for decades? No. She was invented to be the Token Girl with zomg girl power...and no flaws or quirks or personality traits whatsoever. Oh, but don't call her 'doll,' because she is Miss Independent. There is nothing about her that makes her a character in her own right, at least not by Looney Tunes standards. She's there to sell backpacks to little girls, end of story. She's not even much of a motivating factor for Bugs, which you can at least say about other female characters from classic series who also got the short end of the stick. Mickey goes on adventures to woo Minnie, Popeye goes on adventures to woo Olive, and it was that way for both characters since the very beginning of their respective cartoon series.

The new show, while you could argue are perpetuating stereotypes, took Lola and gave her a character the way the boys at Termite Terrace would have done. They gave her flaws, they based her off ridiculous things real people do and exaggerated them, THEY MADE HER FUNNY. For the first time I love this character and I can't get enough of her. She's hilarious to watch. Female characters on television aren't usually allowed to be this funny because people like fans of the original Lola won't let females BE characters - funny, flawed, engaging...and yes, messed up in her own fun way. It was that dynamic that made me LOVE Dot from Animaniacs and Babs Bunny from Tiny Toons growing up.

As for the shipping aspect, welp. I don't go to Looney Tunes when I'm in a romantic mood. I'm not sure why someone would. Mickey and Minnie are my favorite characters and they're who I go to when I want sugary, straight-up, sweet shippable romance. Bugs and Lola should be a comedy team with romance sprinkled in. The more out there the better.

Ha, sorry for the tl;dr. I think a little too hard about my cartoons.

[kindlycoyote.livejournal.com]

My issue is that they made her funny in one of the most despised and harmful female stereotypes. Seriously, you can't really defend that.

I kinda wish that they had made her a over-the-top tomboy. You know, spitting, no feminine charm, etc. At least that would have had a slight amount of her old character in it, and it's not like we are lacking in more traditionally feminine hilarious characters (like the Granny, for instance).

I just think that the stereotype of the HILARIOUS female stalker is old and stupid. So, yeah. I like the Lola better... especially considering that cliche wasn't old or overused at the time they made it. *shrugs* She was fun. And they couldn't flesh her out in a movie that wasn't even about her. I mean, all the other characters had years to build their personality. She had one movie that was focused on a star basketball player.

[(Anonymous)]

Because the original was not a female stereotype at all...

[(Anonymous)]

Sure it was. It was the Sexy Femme Fatale stereotype (covered in fur).

[boxlunch33.livejournal.com]

I can see how the depiction of a female being stalker-like and obsessed could be harmful, and honestly I usually don't go for those kinds of characters. However, I disagree when people say that the way the new Lola is depicted is harmful. Bugs is still attracted to her on some level, for the most part she's generally fairly nice, and a lot of her tactics are so ridiculous and over the top ala I Love Lucy that I can't take them seriously. It doesn't come across to me as 'lol women, amirite?' - and I'm usually the first to get offended at that business - but rather 'wow, that specific person is really crazy.' Like all the other characters. It's not like Looney Tunes has ever been made up of positive role models...to be honest it was its biting humor that made it standout from the rest. Not to mention, animators who grew up on the classic Looney Tunes have never been fond of Lola. I'm not surprised that they'd want to flip her completely upside down.

Aren't over-the-top tomboys usually the ones that always get played for laughs though? Like Toph from Avatar? Girls who are more like boys are allowed to be funny, but feminine girls aren't allowed to be? The stereotype that I always found hurtful was that pretty, feminine women aren't funny, that comedy on women is unattractive. People always joke about female stand-up comedians being unattractive. For me personally I find it refreshing when a character in a skirt can be just as funny as a guy in pants.

I do agree that the female stalker archetype is played out too much, but I personally am not bothered by the way it's played out here. Coming from another source, maybe, I would have been offended. If this was a character who was established, well-rounded, and never exhibited stalker-like behavior before, yes, I'd be offended. To me though Lola never had a character to ruin in the first place, they didn't give her one in the first place. If they weren't going to devote the time to flesh her out in Space Jam, why have her there at all? People talk about her being this strong character, and yet she goes from scoffing at Bugs to swooning over him after he rescues her. Something everyone always gets sore about in a Disney movie, but not here for some reason. Also, the original characters also only had a brief amount of time to show who they were, their cartoons were only five to eight minutes long, yet even the characters that only show up in maybe three cartoons were established instantly. I just didn't get that with Lola.

[mandyseley.livejournal.com]

Ugh, Lola's sudden switch in Space Jam was so... yikes. Even though she's played as being "strong" it's obvious her purpose was to be eye candy to Bugs and eventually to fall for him so the "main character" can get a girl at the end, as the formula demands.

I don't mind if people don't like New Lola, but I'll never believe that Old Lola was a better or more interesting character.

[insanenoodlyguy.livejournal.com]

bless both of you. Bastions of sanity in this secret.

I like new Lola. But I can see where people could dislike her.

What I can't see is how anybody could argue old Lola was interesting. I mean, she was clearly a movie character. No way that personality and character could actually be used regularly and sucessfully in an ongoing show.

[(Anonymous)]

For the most part, folks are solely raggin' on the new design. Which, in comparison to old Lola, is fairly hideous. I, personally, didn't assume anything about her personality from that picture. I just thought 'gross'. Anyone else with complaints, seem to have seen the show, and maybe they are in fact all donning 'nostalgia-goggles'. But the people who haven't watched this new Looney Tunes aren't saying much more than 'ugly new design'. Which it is, at least in that still shot. Maybe she's better in motion.

[(Anonymous)]

IDK it's a pretty odd complaint to make, considering everyone in the new show has been "chibi-fied" and simplified.

[boxlunch33.livejournal.com]

I agree that the picture above lacks appeal, but that's not how she's drawn in the show really. That image is from promotional material used at the very beginning before the show was released. The designs have since been refined over time and yeah, I do think they look better in motion. Maybe people here were only complaining about the physical design, but the way a lot of these comments were phrased gave me the impression that Lola had been ruined from the inside out. I'd also be pretty surprised if OP was complaining about the design only.

[mandyseley.livejournal.com]

Gotta say, I actually agree, here. I had my doubts, pretty darn serious doubts, but sitting down to watch the show, it surprised me by being fairly entertaining. No, it's not the same, but Bugs Bunny seems to thrive on constant updates (http://www.shortpacked.com/2005/comic/book-1-brings-back-the-80s/01-just-a-toy-store/a-17/), not a set formula. Remember that the show is trying to appeal to today's kids, not to adults with rose-tinted nostalgia goggles.

Lola is definitely a different character than she used to be. If anything, I would have expected her to have Tina's personality, but it's obvious they set up Bugs and Daffy's "girlfriend" characters so that both would have the same dynamic of the straight man and the wacky antics character.

Is it perfect? No, but it was better than I was expecting, once I gave it a shot.

[0o0f.livejournal.com]

After looking at the vid someone posted, she does look a lot better there than in the secret image. And I do like how the new Lola actually has a character besides The Chick.

[(Anonymous)]

I think the show would've been better if it wasn't associated with The Looney Tunes. The main reason I don't care for it is because none of the Looney Tunes characters act like themselves. They've been updated to almost be unrecognizable in way of personality. The sitcom format they've got going on isn't working for me. I'm expecting them to do wacky and crazy things like in the old show, but they don't. It's relatively normal "Friends" antics. Maybe I do have nostalgia glasses, but if you're going to reboot a show then perhaps making it similar to its predecessor would be a good option. Otherwise they should've just made completely new character designs.

FTR I'm not crazy about either Lola, old or new. The Space Jam Lola was like a poor man's Jessica Rabbit and she was there to fill in the female quota for the movie. Plus to create a new character for WB to sell merch of. New Lola is a manipulative psycho creeper that I personally don't find very funny. If anything she makes me feel awkward and embarrassed for Bugs.