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⌈ Secret Post #1840 ⌋


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Comments

[lovelycudy.livejournal.com]

I'm stepping on a field of mines, I know, but what do you think happens when there are no major racial issues in a society? Or, more precisely, one racism is a new-ish problem? My country has been quite homogeneous for a long, long time and racial issues only started showing in the last 40 years or so. That's not to say that there's no discrimination, of course, but race wasn't a major issue. Like, over 85% of the population is white and less than 0,5% of the population is black (the only black person I personally know is my grandfather, for example) so we really are so tuned in into these matters.

Can it be that this kind of response comes from not having contact with the same racial issues other countries have?

Did I make sense? I'm truly curious because my mind never goes to "well, this characters gets less screentime because they are black". I may think it's because they are women or non-conventionally pretty, or poor or any other reason, but not because they aren't white.

[(Anonymous)]

No, you do make sense. Lots of it. Your perception is going to be very different if you come from a country that is barely racially diverse to begin with. Unfortunately, a lot of people in fandom have a very U.S.-centric view of things, and are far too quick to assume that the U.S. brand of sociology should apply everywhere else, too, differences in culture and racial demographics be damned.

[lovelycudy.livejournal.com]

Thank you for answering me. Sometimes I feel like I will never get this stuff because it feels so... strange. I watch Glee and there was an episode about a characters being and Atheist and everyone was talking about how hard it is to be one. I was surprised because here I expect most young people to be Agnostic or at least non-religious and I've never seen anyone get bullied or anything because of it. Then again, I live in a big city, so I don't know if it's an issue in small towns.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know what country you're from, but if it's in Europe and isn't Italy or Spain, then it's not going to be much different in small towns, either. People in Europe have been moving further and further away from religion in modern times.

In the U.S., the exact opposite is going on. I don't want to say it's difficult being an atheist in the States, but it's certainly not expected like it is where you live. Even if you're only a twice-a-year (Easter and Christmas) or three-times-in-your-life church-goer (baptism, wedding, and funeral), it's still expected of you to believe in something and at the very least identify as Christian. And people's reactions to hearing that you are atheist, or even agnostic, will range from mild confusion to being deeply offended and determined to convert you.

[lovelycudy.livejournal.com]

I'm Argentinian. This is a mostly Catholic country, but religion seems to be a more... cultural thing, I guess? Like, you celebrate Christmas and stuff but only few people actively practice. And most young people (or at least, middle-class young people, in my experience) are very critical of religion. I went to a Catholic uni and no one cared I'm not a Christian, for example.

[(Anonymous)]

Ah, that's interesting. Because I always heard about many South American countries having a very heavy emphasis on religion. Learn something new every day.

To be honest, though, being an atheist in the U.S. is really more awkward than it is genuinely difficult, and the backlash tends to come from the adults (especially the elderly) more than your peers. Many young people here are also walking away from the church.

[lovelycudy.livejournal.com]

It really depends on the country. In my experience, Argentina and Uruguay are the less religious of South America. I think it has to do with being immigrants' countries and the influence European and European-oriented intellectuality had here. Or so we are told. It maybe a big city thing, too. Or maybe because our Church fucked up big time when it came to defend democracy and humans rights... IDK. But it's pretty laid back here. Last year, when same-sex marriage was approved, there was some opposition from the right (and that means the Church) but most people seemed to be for it. Now it seems we are going to discuss abortion and I think that will be a tough debate, tbh, because while most people think that marriage is a civil matter that can be linked to religion but it's not only religious, abortion touches our ideas of life and all that.

[(Anonymous)]

Just as an alternative perspective, I went to a Catholic high school in the US, and I can't think of anyone who cared that there were atheists there.

I just don't like the idea that somehow all American Christians are evangelizing douches, or that Catholic schools are so intolerant towards other religions. In particular, the later I haven't seen any pressure to convert at all. Yes, they are required to attend the school masses, like any other student, but there's a difference between going to a school assembly and forcing you to believe it.

[lovelycudy.livejournal.com]

Thank you for this perspective. I'll be honest, I've heard horror stories about being and Atheist in the US and I was honestly surprised.

In my uni, we weren't expected to go to mass or anything. The graduation ceremony included one, though, but we didn't have to actively participate in it if we didn't want to.

[bleed-peroxide.livejournal.com]

It's very different in the United States, especially if you live in a conservative area and/or the Bible Belt (in the Southern United States). It's not always the case, obviously, but there are a lot of people here that get extremely offended if you have the audacity (note the sarcasm) to say that you're an atheist, or at least agnostic. (The same goes if you say that you are Wiccan/pagan/alternate spirituality, though for slightly different reasons - "no god" vs. "wrong god(s)".) Even though most people don't attend church regularly, they'll still say "Christian" when asked what their beliefs are.

[lovelycudy.livejournal.com]

That sucks. Paganism/Wiccan is not common here and the main religions are Christianity (in all its forms) and Judaism. But I can't remember anyone except the far right making an issue out of religion. My ex boyfriend was a Buddhist and no one really cared.

It's awful to have to worry so much about something that's personal choice.

[(Anonymous)]

Wait, wait wait. Are you actually saying that the fact your country is overwhelmingly dominated by white people makes it ~more tuned in~ to matters of race and privilege?

l o l

[lovelycudy.livejournal.com]

Oh, no, no. I meant to type "aren't" not "are". Sorry. I swear I can English better.