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⌈ Secret Post #1840 ⌋

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I don't think they're really nasty about it. I mean, I assume most actors and crew involved in making Sherlock are themselves not involved in any kind of online fandom, so they're bound to be taken aback by what it means. But I've received worse reactions from 'ordinary' people when they found out I was into fandom, even without them knowing any details.

Someone else replied with a quote from Mark Gatiss about slash and fanfic, and I'd say he was mostly positive. I saw Martin Freeman on The Graham Norton Show recently where he joked around a bit about online fandom, but when Norton couldn't come up with a proper word to describe (Doctor Who) fans still described them as 'enthusiastic'. Which is a nice way to put it, considering. And I distinctly remember a tweet from Steven Moffat saying he couldn't be against fanfiction since that's pretty much all he's been doing for the past few years.

I remember a documentary about Star Trek fans where some of the actors showed some of the smutty drawings they'd gotten. So this has been going on for ages, since before most of it was online, since before a lot of shows had conventions and gatherings and definitely before Twitter. But all of these things are blurring the line between creators and fans and it is not a good thing. But it's not something that's limited to one (type of) fandom. I mean, people do this stuff to Harry Potter actors all the time, and they were (are?) underage. And there are the people linking to RPF/RPS, which must be even more horrifying.

I suppose my point is that they've reacted pretty generously for non-fandom people.

Thank you for this comment. It made the burn from my embarrassment squick considerably less painful. I can now go back to quietly reading fic and remembering that even the creators and actors know that crazy fans are outliers.

They aren't nasty about it at all.

It's the fans(such as this secret maker) that get their knickers in a twist when the creators and actors comment on the bizzare behaviour(pictures on kink memes, porn photos and fic being sent to them) of said fans.

This secret does not represent the creators and actors at all. It represents a vocal part of the fandom that does scary shit and then has a frightening whinge when it is said, basically, it's scary shit.

Freeman SHOULD protest against his children's photos being plastered all over the fandom. Cumberbatch SHOULD, express his discomfort over being sent photos and fics that are extremely pornographic.

It's not the cast and crew that has a problem. It's the vocal and delusional fans.

That's pretty much what I was saying, right? Just to be clear?

Every group has it's creepy fringe elements and the actor and crew have every right to be creeped out about them. But what I was pointing out was that they seemed to realize we're not all like that.

Even though regular fandom with its quirks can probably seem pretty weird to an outsider. The Graham Norton Show ep with Martin Freeman I mentioned, had Gerard Butler on as a guest as well. There was a woman in the audience who knew more about him than he himself did. She knew that yes he *had* worn a kilt to an event once, and when they showed a pic of him on a beach, she knew exactly when and where it was taken. That must have been incredibly creepy for anyone not aware of (online) fandom, and I cringed when I saw it, but it's completely harmless. Loads of people object to candids/paparazzi shots these days, true, but people can still name the details of every photoshoot/interview/project their fave has ever done.

'Normal' people find this creepy, which is understandable IMO. I downplay fandom and my involvement in it, except to people I know are also a part of it. Yes, I should be open and honest about my hobbies and interests, but I sometimes wonder if people like that Gerard Butler fan take it a bit too far. Perhaps this particular fan wouldn't have said anything if she hadn't been cornered like that, but there are still loads more who don't seem to care who knows what they do online. I mean, you don't have to be ashamed(*) of your hobby to realize it's not exactly everyone's cup of tea? To be aware of the world around you and its norms? And cast and crew create a fandom, they are not part of it, do not know the rules, so it's not ok to treat them like another fan. For them it's just a job.

(*) Obviously I'm leaving out controversial issues like posting family pics, or really any type of paparazzi pics, certain types of fanfic, fanart, etc. I have to admit I'm not always sure where I fall on some of those, except that once again, fandom has different rules than RL and you can't mix the two.

Actually both Moffat and Gatiss have been very active in online Doctor Who fandom for years. Even when Moffat was writing for the show he still was very active in the fandom and only when he became show runner did he stop posting. They know how fandoms work probably better than many of the newer fans. They know how to play the fans, and they clearly enjoy doing so.

Like people said Freeman's partner regularly posts on Facebook. And even Cumberbatch knows what fans do. He grew up as the son of two actors; actors who had fans (David Tennant!) come up to them.

Really? I wasn't aware of that.

I figured Moffat and Gatiss were probably fanboys, simply from the way they come across on Twitter and in interviews. They do seem to know what fans respond to. What kind of stuff were they involved in in fandom? Because it is a very broad term of course. But on the whole they did seem to be the most comfortable with the idea of fan culture. Of course they're not in the public eye so much.

Also, there's knowing people are doing this stuff and having an example shoved into your face.

Moffat posted regularly on the old Outpost Gallifrey forum, sometimes commenting on the show, sometimes joining the discussions, just like the rest of us. Outpost Gallifrey was the major fandom spot when the new show started. They went to the biggest Doctor Who Con both as guest and as fans for years.

They wrote fanfic and later they were part of the group that wrote the books and audios, which are basically professionally published fanfic. So I think they were just as much in the fandom as we all are and they just had enough talent to make it big.

That's really cool.

I had seen a picture of Moffat as a boy reading a tie-in book and I think(?) he wrote the parody starring Rowan Atkinson. But I didn't know both he and Gatiss had been so involved for so long. I guess it makes sense he'd also be on online forums. And that he would have started out writing fanfiction.

So I guess I have to amend my first comment, where I said they reacted pretty cool for non-fandom people. I never got any bad vibe toward fandom from Moffat or Gatiss, so they reacted cool, period. Freeman and Cumberbatch might have had a geeky past, who knows. Or they might have studied up on it. Freeman seems to, at least a bit. But I bet it's still not cool to see manips with you and your friend's faces on them when you google yourself.

I'm still amazed Moffat and Gatiss were regular fans as recently as that. I shouldn't be, but I am. Thanks for that, you've made my day ;)

His USENET posts from the 90s are still online.

You can see seeds of what would become S5 and S6 in them.

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