[ SECRET POST #1840 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1840 ⌋


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 05 pages, 123 secrets from Secret Submission Post #263.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 2 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeats ]
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Comments

[fscom.livejournal.com]

13. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/EmmyAngua/Me/secret.gif

[writerserenyty.livejournal.com]

not in the fandom, explain? are they anti-shipping? Because even though I don't follow Sherlock intensely, I've seen two episodes and I ship it like woah.

[kindlycoyote.livejournal.com]

...Wow, not even into this fandom, but I kinda want to smack those actors/writers/etc.

Seriously. Fandom means your work is good and popular. Fandom helps spread the word about your show and bring in new viewers, and creates a greater loyalty to the show in the fans who are a part of it. To not like that your show has a fandom is a little like whining that your show is popular.

[fenm.livejournal.com]

Not to mention the show is based on a fandom that's 100 years+ old. Trying to stop Holmes fandom at this point is like thinking you can stop a speeding train with a bicycle.

[(Anonymous)]

I think OP is misrepresenting the writers, tbh.

They're enormous Sherlock Holmes fans themselves. They actually made fandom into their profession, they're that dedicated. I sincerely doubt that they HATE FANDOM OMG.

Perhaps they hate being linked to all sorts of fic, which is the real problem in Sherlock fandom, but a. I have no proof of it, and b. even if it's true, I can't really fault them for that.

[radges.livejournal.com]

I think one things she's talking about is Martin and Benedict have seen Tumblr especially Martin and they've mentioned it in an interview and were basically giggling and laughing about it.

[(Anonymous)]

I feel the same way about the Supernatural fandom. IDC if it's meant to be "tongue in cheek", characters like Becky and jokes about conventions aren't funny to me. Because it just makes me feel like I'm once again being laughed at for having an interest in fandom, as though it's a hobby that deserves to be laughed at :(

[visp.livejournal.com]

It's the Supernatural fandom. It kinda demands to be laughed at.

[(Anonymous)]

I kind of agree? I mean, SPN fandom gets a bad portrayal and yes some loud fans are indeed a bit... obsessive, but the whole Becky thing... I don't know. It was funny when she first appeared but now that they kept dragging the joke on and kept making Becky more and more delusional and on the bad side of crazy, it really got a bit bad.

Then I think of what the actors must face sometimes when faced with said crazy fans who are shameless about flaunting their wincest fanart hardcore sex positions in their face and I kind of feel like they're entitled to.

I haven't seen anything that mocking of fandom in the Sherlock fandom (yet) though? Or maybe I just haven't been paying close enough attention.

[la-petite-singe.livejournal.com]

I dunno, that's not what I get from it. It feels like affectionate ribbing most of the time to me. Like 'you guys are passionate and loyal and you're the reason we all still have jobs [because lbr, it is]--and you're also sometimes fucking insane and we're gonna point that out too.' Which I think is a fair exchange, especially since they make fun of themselves as well, i.e., "The French Mistake." I did think Becky's character had sort of an embarrassing resolution, but I assume she was meant to be pretty exaggerated, not an example of an average fan.

[tiffanynichelle.livejournal.com]

I hate hate hate hate when Supernatural acknowledges fandom. It's for the fans, it's not for you. Stop putting it into the show. The idea of the show being a book series was funny at first but when they went to the fanfic and Wincest in the same episode I was so done (and I don't even like Wincest). Becky was never funny to me and the more she pops up the more I hate her and what the show says about fandom.

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe if the fandom stopped FUCKING LINKING FIC TO THEM, we wouldn't have this problem.

But tbh, I don't think the creators/actors give many shits. I've seen a couple of interviews where they've sort of winked at fandom, but never in a bad way. But I haven't watched/read all of the interviews ever, so I might have just missed it.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm guessing this is maybe related to what Mark Gakiss said about the slash?

Here's the quote:

"[…] What’s amazing is, it doesn’t matter how many times you say they’re not going to kiss, they’re not together, they love each other but that’s the point, it’s the single most imperishable friendship in the whole of English literature that’s the way it works, it’s totally unspoken that they love each other in a way that men can do but they’re not gay for each other. But it doesn’t matter how many times you say that, an entire forest of dirty fiction has arisen as a result. And long may it continue, I don’t know what it’s about… [laugh]
[…] I’m very aware of it [slash fiction]. God I’m aware of it because people come and talk about it everytime we do any kind of event but I supposed the history of it is going way back, I think it started with Kirk and Spock. Anything like that has a kind of slash element and it’s an interesting thing because you’re brought up on the idea that heterosexual men get off on the notion of lesbians but the flip side of it is just as powerful, particularly I think for girls of a certain age. The idea of two sexy men getting it on is a really powerful aphrodisiac."

I'm not in the fandom and I don't even *have* Tumblr, and I *still* felt the backlash.

[(Anonymous)]

Some of the fandom is a bad thing. Some of the fandom is a scary thing.

The fact that one of the major fandom sites actually sent a link of a melodramatic fic to the creators and stated--with no irony--that it is "the fandom favourite" is creepy at best.

The creators have been having fun "trolling" the fandom(Moffat was on a roll the past two days). It's all done with tongue firmly in cheek.

However, the moment the actors dare to say that they find some of the fic and art "scary" they are somehow "hating" on the entire fandom??

NO.

The actors and creators of the show are just that actors and creators they are not Sherlock and John. They are not Mycroft and Molly. These are real people with real lives and real families.

The Sherlock fandom has done some scary things. "Rack's" for instance. A fan that stalked and hassled Benedict Cumberbatch relentlessly. A photo of Martin Freeman's children has been posted more than once on a the kink meme. Fans have crashed the sets to the point of needing security.

No fandom is free of frightening fans. Sherlock however, with its surge of tumblr users, has had more of its share. Fans are now wanting to spam Moffat with pictures of themselves crying(this further proves the fact that many tumblr fans are one wave short of a shipwreck. Steve Thompson wrote the damn final episode. Oh, and you know...that guy Doyle)

The people who work on the series should speak out on the behaviour of these fanatics. It does not make them "mean". It makes it known that they are uncomfortable with certain behaviour.

The fact that people find it "mean" that Freeman doesn't like his kids pictures posted and Cumberbatch doesn't like being sent NC-17 drawings of him fucking his fellow actors further shows how unstable these fans are.

It's not "mean" to be scared and disgusted by certain fandom behaviour and to bring it to light, to speak on it and to make it known. It's right.

[(Anonymous)]

funny i'm embarrassed by the fandom.

[mistress-siana.livejournal.com]

What? Moffat and Gatiss write fanfiction for money. They're the ultimate BNFs.

I thought it was a sort of unspoken rule that the people involved in a show have to publicly deny any awareness of/involvement in fandom to the best of their abilities for legal reasons. You know, just in case there happen to be similarities between their show and some fanwork.

[(Anonymous)]

I've been involved with fandom for a very long time. I've seen some bizzare behaviour.

Certain very outspoken memebers of the Sherlock fandom are terrifying. I am sometimes ashamed to say I am a fan because of these people and websites.

Nothing is mean about the cast speaking out about these people. If only it would make fans realize how horrifying they are instead of crying "meanie" and stomping their foot(which furthers the creepy and immature image).

[la-petite-singe.livejournal.com]

Since when?! They seem totally amused/delighted/trolly about it. ("Get Martin to show you some of it." OH, YOU.)

[piepeloe.livejournal.com]

I don't think they're really nasty about it. I mean, I assume most actors and crew involved in making Sherlock are themselves not involved in any kind of online fandom, so they're bound to be taken aback by what it means. But I've received worse reactions from 'ordinary' people when they found out I was into fandom, even without them knowing any details.

Someone else replied with a quote from Mark Gatiss about slash and fanfic, and I'd say he was mostly positive. I saw Martin Freeman on The Graham Norton Show recently where he joked around a bit about online fandom, but when Norton couldn't come up with a proper word to describe (Doctor Who) fans still described them as 'enthusiastic'. Which is a nice way to put it, considering. And I distinctly remember a tweet from Steven Moffat saying he couldn't be against fanfiction since that's pretty much all he's been doing for the past few years.

I remember a documentary about Star Trek fans where some of the actors showed some of the smutty drawings they'd gotten. So this has been going on for ages, since before most of it was online, since before a lot of shows had conventions and gatherings and definitely before Twitter. But all of these things are blurring the line between creators and fans and it is not a good thing. But it's not something that's limited to one (type of) fandom. I mean, people do this stuff to Harry Potter actors all the time, and they were (are?) underage. And there are the people linking to RPF/RPS, which must be even more horrifying.

I suppose my point is that they've reacted pretty generously for non-fandom people.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not sure what they've done to make you feel like fandom is a bad thing, but seeing as Moffat at Gatiss are two huge Doctor Who fanboys who just happened to be talented and lucky enough to actually work on Doctor Who eventually, I don't think that fandom in general is a bad thing.
Maybe they hate the Sherlock fandom specifically though, because the loudest part of Sherlock fandom is batshit and embarrassing.

[cloud-riven.livejournal.com]

Blame the morons for that. As much as I love fandom, specifically fanworks, fans can be so, stupidly, socially incompetent to warrant anyone giving fandom in general the side-eye.

[(Anonymous)]

Someone's projecting.

Moffat and Gattiss have been having a great time tweeting.

Martin Freeman(supposedly) had a photo taken of him expressing his "love" for two fans that run a site about him http://yfrog.com/z/h39mwcij

Cumberbatch has several times met fans in the hospital and through those "wish" organizations.

These are people who appreciate their fans. Their non stalkerish, non creepy fans that is.

It's not an insult when thy say how they don't want photos taken, find fic and art "uncomfortable" and ask that certain things not be posted.

You need to realize that they don't hate the fans. They hate the obsessed, fic and porn mailing and tweeting fans that make the entire fandom look deluded and insane.

Then again, since you think they are being "mean" I can assume that you belong to the creepy fan base.

Thanks for making the rest of us embarrassed.

[marumae.livejournal.com]

I've never actually gotten that from the actors OP, Martin and Cumberbatch seemed pretty amused and flattered by it, though admittedly there's a slight creepy factor when people send them porny things (and it's well within their right to to feel that way, if some person I didn't even know came up and showed me some smutty drawing he did of me and some other person I'd be rightly creeped out). Also Moffat basically admitted he's been writing paid fanfiction for years and without it? He'd be out of a job, so dont' worry, good natured ribbing is all it seems to be.

[(Anonymous)]

"While we are on that subject, I’d like to say a huge thank you for all the wonderful support during this series of Sherlock. As some of you know I’m not a twitter guy so I thought I could take this opportunity to say how humbled I am by the passion, humour, imagination and general sexiness of the Sherlock fandom."

Just thought I'd toss that quote from Andrew Scott into the discussion.

[htebazytook.livejournal.com]

To be fair, there are parts of fandom that are a bad thing lol