[ SECRET POST #1843 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1843 ⌋


Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 50 secrets from Secret Submission Post #263.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 - too big ], [ 0 - repeats ]
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom.livejournal.com]

41. http://i41.tinypic.com/2b39rc.jpg

[salixbabylon.livejournal.com]

Perhaps this will help you feel more validated: http://chicksndicks.blogspot.com/2012/01/ethics-of-reworking-fanfiction-editors.html

[megalomaniageek.livejournal.com]

I know this bothers some people but it's never really bothered me. I feel like when it comes to the big ideas that so many things (plot twists, characters, themes) are well-established tropes and archetypes that if you change the specifics then it really is an entirely new story. I also hate the double standard that it's ok to rip off a story wholesale if it's really old, but you can't take elements from modern stories and incorporate them into your own works or it's stealing?
I dunno, plagiarism is bad but you've gotta just evaluate for yourself whether your stories are really yours or if they're somebody else's. I don't know if that's something that can be easily defined, so you've gotta trust your own judgment. If they are yours, then don't feel bad.

[intrigueing.livejournal.com]

A lot of fiction is based on other fiction. Someone (I forget who) once said all great art is plagiarized. Just because you wrote it as actual fanfic before you changed it up doesn't make it any worse than everyone -- including loads and loads of awesome writers who would not be awesome writers without the influence of the books they read before they started writing -- who rips off ideas from old books and writes new ones. If you can make a changed-up fanfic into an original story with the names and obvious identifiers stripped out, the core ideas are obviously original, even if they were inspired by a pre-existing fandom.

[mutantjules.livejournal.com]

Jim Jarmusch (I posted it a little bit down the thread)

[intrigueing.livejournal.com]

That's a GREAT quote! And so true. I think a lot of (well done) things that are heavily influenced by an earlier work are sometimes, like, second drafts. They fix everything wrong with the first one and keep everything right with it and add in more awesome. The adding in more original awesome is pretty important, but still, a lot of times a work written by someone who didn't come up with the original idea is frequently (not all or even most of the time, but frequently) a lot better and deeper and more insightful and used to better effect (see: almost everything Shakespeare has ever written).

[(Anonymous)]

If you can make a changed-up fanfic into an original story with the names and obvious identifiers stripped out, the core ideas are obviously original, even if they were inspired by a pre-existing fandom.

which then makes a sad statement about fanfiction. if you're writing fanfiction and change the names and a few things about 'canon' and have it be a different story, clearly characterization has blown out the window and why the hell were you writing fanfiction to begin with?

there was a reason why the search and replace the names mode of fanfiction writing used to be frowned on. now it appears people will buy crap, eat shit but if it's a 'popular' fandom writer, they act like it's made of pure honey.

[intrigueing.livejournal.com]

Yeah I don't like it either, but if it's used as a technique to make original stories, hey, I'm all for it. It probably won't make very good fanfic, but sometimes people find it easier when they have a set starting point even if they don't plan to stick to it.

[mutantjules.livejournal.com]

if you made it your own, you're fine.

[octoberland.livejournal.com]

Yes, it makes you a bad person.

[(Anonymous)]

SA from down thread. Reading both of your comments, I think you sound like an uptight jerk. Which kind of makes you a bad person. Not that you're asking....which might be further proof that you're a jerk.

[octoberland.livejournal.com]

And I think you're a coward for replying anonymously. But that's just my opinion. Not that you were asking for it. :)

[(Anonymous)]

Thanks. It doesn't mean much to me.

[djmayhem-aubrey.livejournal.com]

Different person, but I also think you're an uptight jerk. But hey, whatever floats your boat.

[countess-k.livejournal.com]

Why would it make you a bad person? Fictional characters are mostly archetypes (the reluctant hero, the devoted friend, the father figure, the power hungry villain who wants to take over the world.) Most stories are permutations of the same script with settings and characters changed. Even original writers who never heard of fanfiction admit they are affected by works of other writers and subconsciously use those ideas in their stories. In a sense, the entire writing community is one ginormous fandom. The only persons with original stories were the cavemen.

[robintheshrew.livejournal.com]

Sounds awesome to me, congrats! Keep up the good work :)

[solarbird]

You think you're the only one?

I'm not gonna drop names but I know a lot of professional writers and I know where a lot of those stories came from. One in particular, if you listen closely to the book, you can hear echos from the D20s hitting the table, all these years later. And he's won a Hugo Award for Fiction! And deserved it.

(Not with the d20 story, no. That one did not deserve a Hugo. But it was fun. ^_^ )

So, yeah. It's cool. Tropes is tropes. Hells bells, I'm a musician - you think there's any chord progression that hasn't already been played by someone else? Fuck no! Listen to everything, learn it all, make your own thing. But you're all using the same raw materials. Somebody else said, "Make it yours." As long as you're doing that, making it truly yours? That's the right way.

[octoberland.livejournal.com]

I find it funny that people are bashing the Twilight fic FS in this post that's been published but are praising the creator of this secret. It's completely hypocritical. If it's okay for this person to publish fan fiction it should be okay for the Twilight person to do it as well.

Which, for the record, I don't think is okay at all.

[hiyami.livejournal.com]

One of my friend who is now a writer started by writing fics. I know some of her novels are "adapted" fanfictions because I read them before she turned them into novels... AFAIK, most of her readers come from fandoms.

I don't care if the work was originally fan-fiction or not.
I care whether the end result is good or not.

And Twilight reads like one of the most cliché, terribly characterized, silly plotted generic vampire Mary Sue fan-fiction.

[octoberland.livejournal.com]

Oh, I agree with you about Twilight. It's horrendously written and painful to read. Some of the fan fiction actually far surpasses the source material.

But personally I'm just against publishing fan fiction. I think writing fan fiction can be a good way to exercise writing muscles (though it can create pitfalls too) but I find it morally wrong on multiple levels to publish it. Just imo.

[(Anonymous)]

Personally, I'm okay with both of them. Besides, anybody brings up anything tangentially Twilight and the crowd over here is going to go apeshit over how crappy it is.

[octoberland.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I kind of figured it was probably a case of "well, it's Twilight so we're going to hate on it just because it's Twilight".

[kikkyo.livejournal.com]

Yeah I can understand that mentality over Twilight, it is pretty crappy. But I just don't like the idea of someone taking their fanfiction and editing it to publish, it cheapens the work, doesn't seem like it would allow for much character development outside of copying someone else's characters, the plot may have evolved somewhat from the original source but it still seems like the lazy way out to me. And immoral, and I'd have to wonder that if it was possible for a lawyer to track down witnesses and information from online and prove that the published material had been uploaded as fanfiction for something else at one time, that the author can't still be sued.

[octoberland.livejournal.com]

THIS. Some of them try to say (about the Twilight fics) that they're AH so they're different enough but they're not really. It's not just the same names they're using. The characters look the same (minus sparkling of course), they usually (not always but often) have careers reflective of the source material (ie high school or college students especially Edward studying medicine or being a doctor), the settings are usually still either Forks or Seattle or Phoenix, and the main premise is almost always some sort of love story between Edward and Bella (often with lots of sex thrown in).

This type of writing where so many elements from the source material are utilized does not create or foster the talent for a writer to create truly original work where they have to come up with everything themselves. I've seen some people here argue that there aren't any original ideas left and while it's true that there are standard tropes a truly talented writer will bring their own spin and touch to those tropes. Their characters will be theirs and they'll conceptualize every little detail from start to finish.

I'm rambling. Sorry. It's just a subject near and dear to my heart.

[kikkyo.livejournal.com]

I came here to make the same exact post.