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fandomsecrets2012-01-19 07:25 pm
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Torchwood had quite a bit of gayness, but that is not enough, in a perfect world there would be more gay characters and different ethnicity and more female leading roles, and maybe one day we will.
And I wish you and your girlfriend all the happiness in the world!
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I really wish shows would include more gay and lesbian characters-- and of course, more women and minority characters as well. It infuriates me when I see a new show come out with an all-white, mostly male, all-straight cast. Ugh. It's one part of why I would love it so much if Sherlock went that route -- though of course not the only reason, lol.
Thank you very much! :) I hope you got that that part of my comment was directed at the OC of the thread, not you.
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So me not wanting Sherlock and John to become canon is not me being homophobic it is just my opinion nor is wanting most of my bff relationship on tv to stay just that, bffs. I ship both slash and straight relationships, I have both straight and gay friends, just like I have friends of both gender and different ethnicity, the thing is though that I don't want to see people making out if the couple is gay or not is irrelevant, public displays of affection makes me uncomfortable, but that has to make me homophobic right?
And for the record I did not see comment as you put it "gross, slightly homophobic", I just saw it as something I agreed on, but you see it differently and if I offended you with that I am sorry.
I got that, still wont stop me from being nice...
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The thing is most people don't interpret EVERY friendship in their fandoms this way. They may ship BFF ships X/Y, A/B, and C/D, but most people also like L&M, U&V, and R&S as just friends. Yes, any pair who are BFFs on a popular fandom show will probably have some shippers, but that's also true of any pair who are enemies, any pair who are frenemies, and often any pair who happens to appear on the screen together at some point (and sometimes not even that).
But just because an individual ships a certain Friend/Friend ship (or even a number of them) doesn't mean they think all friendships are like that (esp. not IRL). It just means they like those characters together in a romantic and/or sexy way, too, for whatever reason.
-- Ships a lot of friendships, but also really doesn't ship a lot of other friendships, based on random factors such as specific dynamic, actor chemistry, a possibly the phase of the moon when I first consume the story
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What annoys me is that if I say I don't ship, especially when it is male bff's this makes me homophobic, instead of just the reality that is that I just don't see them as more than friends.
To be completely honest I do ship some friendships too, well at least one Castle/Beckett, and I guess that one don't really count?
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Sure, some people are dicks and refuse to believe anyone could not like their ship, and therefore anyone who doesn't must be homophobic (or sexist, or racist, or just plain dumb, or whatever else applies in that case). That's very rude.
OTOH, saying that people shipping two guys together implies they think men can't be friends (which is the comment you agreed with) is ALSO rude.
People can ship a pairing, and even want a pairing to become canon, while also appreciating that in general people can just be friends.
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And maybe I did something stupid or whatever, but the thing is in my mind what I agreed with was not something that was rude or whatnot, but the thing is that I still agree with it, mostly because I am annoyed by the fact that my opinion is less political correct or some BS than someone who thinks everyone should be gay in media.
(and yes I know I am exaggerating and probably went from being reasonable to rude, but really I am fed up with seeing and being attacked just because I don't want everyone on TV to get together, and *gasp* daring to say so.)
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(Anonymous) 2012-01-20 03:56 am (UTC)(link)no subject
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(Anonymous) 2012-01-20 09:34 pm (UTC)(link)You, on the other hand, sound overly sensitive.
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But we're not talking about "everyone", we're talking about ONE specific couple, one that has been teased and joked about being gay since episode one, and in every episode since.
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Yeah that is really annoying! (Brennan/Booth anyone?) ohhh I can name one! Penny and Sheldon from TBBT! And whatever they are called in NCIS LA: Kensi and Deekes oh and Ziva and Tony from NCIS, but to be honest it is heavily implied in the last two that they have feelings for each other.
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Morgan and Garcia from Criminal Minds? He calls her babygirl and other pet names, and she is really flirty with him, but she has a boyfriend (had? I have no idea what happened to Kevin), and I think Morgan's feelings for her are supposed to be more of the brotherly kind...
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Oh that is true, I love their relationship! It is awesome! With the pet names and the not having a romantic relationship:)
I am pretty sure Gacia is still with Kevin?
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I don't really watch Criminal Minds for the characters (even if I love most of them), I watch it for the crime solving, so I might have missed Kevin...
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(Anonymous) 2012-01-20 03:18 am (UTC)(link)no subject
(If so that is a first in my life ever... And thank you should be said.)
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I don't think you're homophobic. Your comments were... irritating, I want to say, not because you don't ship what I ship, but the way you phrased your reasoning was really kind of... I don't know, it got under my skin in a big way. "Why can't they be friends?" "Why do they have to hook up?" etc. is really galling when in the vast, vast majority of fandoms, the guys who are super-close friends? Will never hook up, no matter how much chemistry they have, how many hugs they share, or how close they are. Here I'm thinking of shows like Psych, Criminal Minds, Being Human... the list goes on and on of shows with pairs of guys who are bffs but will never in a million years hook up. The idea that the potential for one pair of bffs in one show to hook up means we should all cry about how "guys aren't allowed to be bffs" is galling. It's honestly infuriating, when I can point to easily a dozen "bromances" that would never in a million years become canon, where the guys are definitely bffs and love each other but will and would never hook up, but people are crying and whinging because one "bromance" on TV has the potential to actually become a romance.
And given the number of "bromances" on TV - bffs who would never hook up, ever - the crying about how Sherlock and John hooking up would mean "no men can ever just be bffs!" just comes off as homophobic. It comes off as frankly ridiculous, someone looking for a scapegoat reason why they shouldn't have Sherlock and John get into a relationship. Simply put, it's a bullshit reason to object to the pairing.
There's also the fact that, as another comment there did outright and your argument did implicitly, saying things like that makes it seem like there's something wrong with two bffs hooking up. Like it, as the original commenter so grossly said, "takes away from their friendship" and somehow makes it lesser, tawdry, bad. As someone who, as I said in the thread, is in love with and dating her best friend, this idea is deeply offensive to me, this.. this implication that by dating my bff-now-girlfriend I've somehow made our friendship less valid, that there's something wrong with it. That somehow being in a relationship is a step DOWN from being a best friend, rather than a step up or merely a step to the side.
I understand you didn't mean to imply a lot of this, but words mean things, and agreements also mean things - when you agreed with the poster above you unconditionally, you also agreed to their saying that bffs getting in a relationship "takes away from their friendship." You agreed that somehow one couple in one show getting together means "men aren't capable of interacting on a deeper level without romance being involved," which is blatant bullshit no matter how you slice it.
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The reason to why I get so annoyed and overreact is because mostly everywhere one looks people ship bbf's and for the most part that is not what I see. And if anyone dare to speak up you are somehow wrong for not thinking it could work romantically...
And I would never tell you that your RL relationship was any less worth because it started out as a friendship, hell both of "real" relationship started out as friendships one of them was my best friend for years before we got any further, and personally for me that ruined the friendship and maybe even my belief that bbf's can do romance, because you loose so much more if/when you break up, and again this is my personal opinion, I don't go around judging people for the most part.