[ SECRET POST #1843 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1843 ⌋


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 50 secrets from Secret Submission Post #263.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 - too big ], [ 0 - repeats ]
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments and concerns should go here.

Comments

[agnes-bean.livejournal.com]

I guess it's not so much the idea itself that bothers me as the people who shove it down your throat that these two characters are DEFINITELY in love with each other and if you feel differently you're an idiot or a homophobe.

As I said in a thread above, people who do this are rude. The problem was that your original comment was also very rude, as it implied people who ship friendships are Doing It Wrong, and even that we don't understand friendship. Fighting fire with fire doesn't normally work :)

In the end, it comes down to a matter of interpretation/taste. Some people see S/J as a friendship; others see it as a friendship which has the potential to turn into romance (and they would like that). Neither side is WRONG, it's just a different read on the relationship. Hell, same with Doctor/companion -- you might not like it, but other people DO like Doctor/Companion ships (and in the case of Eleven/River, and Rose/Ten, they have a lot of canon support, honestly).

And of course, different interpretations of relationships is hardly something that just comes up in friend-based ships. People read canon relationships differently all the time and can end up calling people all sorts of nasty things over it (being a Spuffy shipper is TONS of fun, let me tell you).

It's normally better not to attack people or draw broad inferences about their general understand of relationships (whether that be calling them homophobic or saying their ship implies men aren't capable of deep platonic relationships) based on a single ship they do or don't like.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm sorry if it came across as rude as that wasn't my intention. My post wasn't directed at people who ship Sherlock/John or friendships in general. I completely understand why people enjoy these ships and respect their opinions.

My only issue is with people who perceive my opinion and the opinion of the writers as being wrong and somehow homophobic because we believe it's better left as something to interpret rather than made canon. I really hope I'm making sense here. =/

[agnes-bean.livejournal.com]

Yeah, you do.

I think the problem here is that a lot of friendship shippers (esp. slash shippers) have been told they're doing it wrong for exactly the reason you stated in your original post, so there was a lot of baggage brought to the responses on both sides :/

[(Anonymous)]

Ah, I wasn't aware. I'm sorry.

I've probably been reading too many crazy posts on tumblr, heh.

[fenm.livejournal.com]

better left as something to interpret rather than made canon

Yeah... how often does that happen with straight couples, though? Especially ones that are teased and joked about being a couple as much as John and Sherlock are?

[(Anonymous)]

I agree it doesn't happen as often, but it's happened several times with characters I've shipped, including the teasing.

Hoggle made a point below about how there aren't actually that many honest-to-god deep platonic relationships on television. That's what I was trying to get at with the "romance would take away what Sherlock/John have" thing, but I obviously fucked that up. lol

[fenm.livejournal.com]

there aren't actually that many honest-to-god deep platonic relationships on television

But... there are. They're all over the place. Star Trek, House, Boston Legal, Community Avatar: The Last Airbender...

Seriously, I don't know whee the hell this, "There are no male friends that aren't also a couple" thing is coming from.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not just a matter of 'male friends' though. Abed and Troy, for instance, aren't on the same level as Sherlock and John. And House/Wilson is based off SH, so I don't think it really counts. Not sure who you're referring to with the Avatar mention, and I haven't seen Boston Legal. Star Trek I agree with.

[luxshine.livejournal.com]

I'd like to know what straight couple that is teased with becoming a couple hasn't become a couple, please. I've been wracking my brain about that and came up empty...

[(Anonymous)]

Jeff and Annie on Community
House and Cameron
Harry and Hermione
Phoebe and Joey on Friends
The Doctor and Amy Pond, maybe?

Not saying I ship all of these, but they could certainly be interpreted that way.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think you were being rude at all. I had no difficulty understanding what you were trying to say, either. Some people need to work on their reading comprehension, and stop being so overly sensitive.