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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-01-23 07:46 pm

[ SECRET POST #1847 ]

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[identity profile] countess-k.livejournal.com 2012-01-24 01:07 am (UTC)(link)
In RL both are wrong, doesn't matter who is ogling whom.

However in fantasy I agree that there is more lenience towards women ogling men than the other way around. It's not a double standard per say. It's mainly because it happens less in real life and with fewer tragic consequences, and there's less a history of "female gaze" than there is for "male gaze" hence the higher tolerance for women to be sleazy voyeurs over celebrities.

(Anonymous) 2012-01-24 01:28 am (UTC)(link)
So how exactly is that not a double standard?

[identity profile] icanhashearth.livejournal.com 2012-01-24 02:11 am (UTC)(link)
Different context/consequences makes it appropriate to have different reactions to male-on-female vs. female-on-male ogling.

If you want to be super-literal and call it a double standard solely because it's applied differently to different genders, I guess you can, but the way we actually use the term double standard implies that the difference in treatment is unjust/baseless, which isn't the case here.

That said, if it makes OP uncomfortable, that's a legit reaction, and in private spaces his/her own friends should respect that. (And like previous commenters said, in spaces that are for serious stuff, it's inappropriate either way.)
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[identity profile] visp.livejournal.com 2012-01-24 03:22 am (UTC)(link)
Pretty much, exponentially more men kill and rape women than women kill and rape men. And, women are the ones who traditionally weren't taken seriously if they could be reduced to objects of lust. So, women lusting over men has less threatening undertones to it.

[identity profile] queenoftea.livejournal.com 2012-01-24 11:16 pm (UTC)(link)
i think it's okay when it happens in female 'safe' spaces so to speak (LJ, ONTD). we're not wading into NFL forums talking about how tight Tebow's butt is and telling men who object to our objectification that they're wrong to do so.

i absolutely agree that it's sexist and inappropriate but hell, i do it all the time. give me more peen. i'm not going to complain, i'm a red-blooded lady~ (plus, like countess_k said, female gaze isn't nearly as harmful as an institution- most men's self-esteem issues are caused by *other men*)