[ SECRET POST #1849 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1849 ⌋


Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 43 secrets from Secret Submission Post #264.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeats ]
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom.livejournal.com]

05. http://i.imgur.com/kfULJ.png

[billybobfred0.livejournal.com]

You're funny.

[(Anonymous)]

wow i am so tired of hearing this debate when we're essentially bickering over arm-less cylinders made in ms paint

[(Anonymous)]

Adobe Photoshop and Adobe Flash. The site name is full of lies.


But your point stands.

[(Anonymous)]

How is he racist? Not arguing, I barely know what MS paint adventures is let alone am a fan.. just curious.

[(Anonymous)]

Basically: Hussie claims he wrote the eight human characters to be raceless, such that the audience could project any race they wanted on them. A bunch of people said that he did a very poor job of that, and that there are multiple points in the story where it's strongly implied that they are white. Hussie responded that to claim that white is the only race the characters could possibly be is itself racist. This pissed a lot of people off. He semi-backed down later in the day, acknowledging that he had screwed up a few times in writing the characters racelessly, and going back and changing the most egregious example, but not really backing down from "saying these characters could only be white is racist", further pissing people off.

[othellia.livejournal.com]

Someone made the argument that all of the kids in the story - due to their last names, a (ETA: early 1900's in a wealthy white American household) Southern upbringing in two, blond hair in the other two, and a mention of one of their direct relatives being white - are coded as white, even if it's not mentioned specifically.

Several people - who were then later backed by the creator of the work - called them out as being the true racists since the characters are supposedly able to be of any race (i.e. a blank slate). Which isn't what the original person (and several people after that) were talking about.

Yes, the characters potentially could be any race, but surrounding details in the text - at the best - cast doubt on the feasibility of them being so, and - at the worst - paint "white" as default while giving a vague last-minute nod to PoC for liberalism's sake.

[flutingfrenzy.livejournal.com]

The posts in the secret are...pretty privileged, honestly. Just from reading them, I think he probably really does mean well, but that he hasn't had that moment of clarity that white people who genuinely don't want to be racist (or guys who don't want to be sexist etc.) have to have before they can really get it.

[(Anonymous)]

So, bottom line, his fans accused him of racism and he had the AUDACITY to defend himself, only to back down after it actually was explained?

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That monster! Obviously, whenever you criticize somebody, they have to back down immediately and accept your superior judgment.

Damn, some people are entitled as shit!

[viciousimp.livejournal.com]

He used to make comics with racist jokes and all, but he's very clearly learned since then. He's a human, he makes mistakes. OH NO, PRIVILEGED MAN MAKES MISTAKES, CALL THE FUCKING PRESSES.

At least he's trying. And I think he's doing great. Especially with his recent post on Calmasis.

[illimerent.livejournal.com]

This! So much this.

I don't think he handled the situation very well at all, but I honestly don't think he was trying to be racist at all. (And to be honest, while I can't see Rose and Dave/Roxy and Dirk as being anything other than white, I can definitely see John and Jade/Jake and Jane as being some other race.)

And it's obviously very possible for a non-white person to live in an upper-middle-class suburban home, so I don't really understand the argument that JOHN HAS TO BE WHITE BECAUSE HE LIVES IN AN UPPER-MIDDLE-CLASS SUBURBAN HOME! or whatever.

As for surnames, there's the whole thing about them being born in a laboratory, so that doesn't really matter. (Hell, it's canon that Jade's surname came about because her grandpa had a speech impediment as a baby and mispronounced the name of his dog, and that Egbert was not Nanna's maiden name, so...)

TL;DR: While I do agree that he handled things pretty poorly, I also think he's honestly working on it and that it's quite conceivable that some of the kids are not white.

[acidicdemonmilk.livejournal.com]

IAWTC. I've only read Homestuck recently, but from his posts, Andrew Hussie seems like a pretty cool and reasonable dude, even if he does get sarcastic at time.

[ascend.livejournal.com]

can you be more pressed

[flutingfrenzy.livejournal.com]

Hahaha, I KNEW someone was going to make a secret like this.

[streetcake.livejournal.com]

I don't care, I'm just glad I can draw the kids whatever race I want now.

[(Anonymous)]

lol

[insanenoodlyguy.livejournal.com]

HAAHHAHA.

I was waiting for one of you morons to show up, bawwing all butthurt from Tumblr.

I was just wondering if the first one would be upset on behalf of minorities, homosexuals, or the gender neutral.

I'd guessed it'd be race and I guessed correctly! You won me an internet!

[childings.livejournal.com]

Eh, I wouldn't call him RACIST but it is pretty naive to assume you can actually write a character to be "raceless"

[haro.livejournal.com]

I'm not into Homestuck, but when I saw his comments I was so hugely turned off.

[formula-410.livejournal.com]

"Bullshit"? I disagree. :I

[(Anonymous)]

obvious troll is ~~obvious~~

[cloud-riven.livejournal.com]

Yeah, the wording of those posts made me side eye them quite a bit. I think his intentions were in the right place, but just not quite there yet. He really should have just not responded to the angrier folk as he ended up putting more feet in his mouth. Plus it made the initial post seem more disingenuous.

Seriously, you don't get brownie points the moment you go, "I'm not racist, YOU ARE. "

[poisontea.livejournal.com]

His third post on the subject was actually really good; he didn't apologize or admit to accidentally whitewashing the characters as firmly as he could have, but he's trying. He's a privileged white guy so it's no surprise when he fucks up on race issues, and he stuck his foot in his mouth when trying to respond the first couple of times, but he's obviously trying to improve.

Hell, his newer post on Calmasis and non-gendered pronouns convinced me that he's pretty much trying to better person all-around. He's fumbling at it and I don't think he's the best person ever who never says anything privileged or racist or homophobic or transphobic or anything like that, and I think there's some questionable stuff in the comic itself, but I appreciate that he's trying.

[naevai.livejournal.com]

This is like that awful "Are anime characters asian or white" argument, IT DOESN'T MATTER.

[abyssal-recluse.livejournal.com]

You mad