[ SECRET POST #1849 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1849 ⌋


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Comments

[ketita.livejournal.com]

OMG, that happens to me so much >_< I'm fluent in two languages, studied Chinese and Japanese for three years (simultaneously), and am now taking an immersion course in Korean. My class is full of Chinese and Japanese, and some days I don't even know what language I'm speaking... and I often switch languages mid-sentence, especially if a moment ago I was talking one of the other languages....

I'm just lucky that learning Chinese, Japanese and Korean simultaneously kind of cuts down on being called a weeaboo XD even though I do enjoy anime quite a lot.

That said, I at least can sort of tell when people are doing the "I will now use words of X language because it's cool" versus having it slip out. For one, you can tell by the vocabulary - certain words tend to slip out most often (like "yes") or other exclamations. Also, you'd be getting a "weirder" mix. Weeaboo Japanese is made up of words commonly used in anime. But words that slip out for me in Korean are things like "department store" and "subway" (whereas I always, ALWAYS say "now" in Chinese. wtf, brain). Obvious daily life sorts of things.

[coffeeyoukai.livejournal.com]

I always identified weeaboos when they randomly directly substitute Japanese words for English ones, because grammar does not work that way and no one who actually speaks the language would say something so horribly awkward-sounding without pause.

[(Anonymous)]

You'd be surprised. Grammar might not work that way, and it doesn't, but vocab and grammar are learnt differently. A lot of people (not all, because there are as many ways of learning as there people) learn vocab first and then learn grammar constructs separate. In the stage where you are internalising vocab it is very easy to do the direct word substitution. Thankfully, oh god thankfully, that tends to vanish once the grammar constructs kick in.

[ketita.livejournal.com]

Hmm. That's an interesting thought - though I'm not sure I'd agree 100%? I mean, I've found myself trying to use Korean/Japanese particles in Chinese - which is blatantly nonsensical grammatically.
The way my mind works, at least, if I'm going to do a substitution, it's usually because, for whatever reason, my mind jumps to the word in X language faster than in Y language. This could partially be because it's something that doesn't have as accurate a word in Y language, or because of using the word very often in X language. Another reason is when the words sound similar - I constantly find myself using the Japanese jikan instead of the Korean shikan.

I most often find myself substituting nouns, anyway - unless I do a full-out midsentence switch.

If anything, I think the key issue is - somebody who is fluent in English, unless they are undergoing an immersion course or something, should have no reason to be pulling substitutions between their native tongue and one they only speak marginally. For me, all my substitutions occur between the languages I'm not fluent in. I've been given to understand it's part of how the brain learns languages - you have "mother tongue" and "other", and if you learn several languages they all get lumped together as "other" until you know enough for them to get their own little brain section /HALLO THAR OVERSIMPLIFICATION

/TL;DR >_> sorry I just find this stuff really interesting to think about