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fandomsecrets2012-01-27 06:45 pm
case) wrote in fandomsecrets2012-01-27 06:45 pm
[ SECRET POST #1851 ]
⌈ Secret Post #1851 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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18. [TRIGGER WARNING for gore/death]
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19. [TRIGGER WARNING for rape]
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Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 000 secrets from Secret Submission Post #264.
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(Anonymous) 2012-01-29 07:56 pm (UTC)(link)no subject
(Anonymous) 2012-01-31 01:15 am (UTC)(link)I must disagree with you that that's what people are taking issue with, however. They would be quite justified in being offended at wolfie saying "You have to interpret it my way, as an expression of how deeply Chikane cares, or else you're stupid!!" But whether or not that's what wolfie actually intended to say (I doubt that it was) what people have been very clearly saying in her direction is "You have to interpret it my way, as an act of pure evil, or else you're evil!!"
So far you're the only one who has addressed at all one of the key issues I've been trying to point out, which is... it's fiction. Why should it be mandatory to regard a fictional rape in exactly the same light as a rape in real life, when we can very easily think of half a dozen things, some even more serious than rape, which we are willing to accept in fictional contexts very differently from how we'd accept them in real life? You allude to the answer that people might be unwilling to accept this particular interpretation of the fictional KnM rape because it's too close to a twisted train of thought that has been used to try and justify real-world rape, and I can certainly identify with that - earlier I mentioned "vigilante justice" as one of the things people frequently accept in their fiction even if they wouldn't in reality; I didn't mention how personally repulsive I find it even in fiction, because of some of the horrible things I've seen people do and read of others doing, thinking they were actually doing good by being brutal and vindictive and violent to people who "deserved it" ... some of whom turned out not to be guilty of the things they were accused of.
But the thing is, should I dismiss everyone who loves a good "guy gets revenge when the law won't act" movie as a horrible monster? As someone who would themselves go out torturing and killing if they thought they were getting righteous vengeance? I don't think that's very realistic. Perhaps some of them would, but I think more of them simply say "It's fiction. Because it's fiction, we know it really is justified revenge against someone who really can't be dealt with any other way; that's clearly what the screenwriter decided, so I'll just accept that it's so and feel good with no qualms when that righteous vengeance is achieved on the screen." I don't insist that everyone has to think like me on this issue or else be a monster. Why are so many people so insistent that on this issue, everyone really does have to have the same interpretation or be evil?
-- woodsman
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(Anonymous) 2012-01-31 01:59 am (UTC)(link)But whether or not that's what wolfie actually intended to say (I doubt that it was) what people have been very clearly saying in her direction is "You have to interpret it my way, as an act of pure evil, or else you're evil!!"
BECAUSE HOW THE FUCK ELSE COULD YOU INTERPRET FUCKING RAPE AND NOT BE A COMPLETE SHITBAG?
Silly me, forgot who I'm talking to...
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(Anonymous) 2012-02-01 12:56 am (UTC)(link)Then you turn around and confirm that I was in fact completely correct about what I said you were taking issue with.
If you showed any propensity to understand and discuss distinctions such as "things in real life" vs. "things in fiction," or "taking issue with being told you should see things a certain way" vs. "taking issue with being told that someone doesn't see things your way," I would be interested in continuing this discussion with you - despite your unwillingness or inability to adhere to basic rules of civilized debate, such as there really being no need to scream. As it is, however, I wonder if you would at least be considerate enough to adopt a moniker for this discussion, so I know which posts are pointless to reply to.
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(Anonymous) 2012-02-01 02:53 am (UTC)(link)