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Comments

[sparklywalls.livejournal.com]

I'm of two minds about this. There's this weird thing about being English where we're pretty defensive about our home grown stuff. I say we, but don't mean *I* think this or that I speak for all English of course and I say English because I'm not sure if other parts of the UK feel quite the same about their national icons.

What I mean is that there's the idea that Sherlock Holmes is so tied to being set in England and all the stuff that comes with it that the time you set an adaption doesn't seem to matter, because it's still set in England, in particular London. I think people are reacting like it's sacrilege to move the premise to a place where they perceive it won't work. I never saw the US version of Life on Mars but that suffered from a similar argument. I have a friend in LA who said it did kinda work actually but he still preferred the BBC version.

There's also the feeling this new adaption is riding on Sherlock's coat tails by virtue of it being a modern-era take on it. In a way I think "no shit, something is popular so someone decides to make a new version to appeal to their own region, that happens all the time!" However, once again I understand why people are being defensive because there is a track record of our stuff not transferring very well to a US setting.

Then there's the part of me that just laughs at all this and thinks that if we tried to make a British version of successful US show, exactly the same people this side of the pond would complain or they'd deem it acceptable, not realising the hypocrisy.

TL;DR, I'll try to give it a chance but I get where some of the anger is coming from even if I don't agree with it.

[(Anonymous)]

I can't remember if it was Sue Vertue or Steven Moffat who said it in an interview, but actually, CBS and BBC were in talks for an American adaptation of Sherlock but it did not pan out and CBS decided to go ahead and do it anyway. The interviewee said that they would watch this new show very carefully and if it borrowed from BBC Sherlock's creations (writing shown onscreen, dialogues...etc, everything that is not public domain), they would sue.

Nevertheless: in spite of the alien factor of an essentially English universe (for a lot of people, at least) transported into an American one, an American version could work, if it is done well, even if I am not really keen on the idea, I agree with you. I'm not really thrilled by the potential fandom wanking over "which version is better", à la The Office, but I'm feeling hopeful enough to believe that the Sherlock fandom can rise above this. *fingers crossed*

[fenm.livejournal.com]

an American version could work

IA. It's honestly not a difficult, or particularly British concept In fact, it has sort of been done, with characters like Gil Grissom from CSI, Monk, L from Death Note, and, of course, House.

[sparklywalls.livejournal.com]

Yeah I have a vague memory of that same interview. Hopefully CBS won't be so obvious and I do hope actually they can come to some sort of understanding (along the lines of, the BBC team gives it their blessing if they promise not to lift any ideas word for word, scene for scene.) At least the threat is out there so maybe that might make the CBS team give serious thought to it and who knows, it might turn out to be pretty good as a result.

The "which version is better" is probably inevitable, I'd hope it'd die down after a while. I like what some people up on the thread have suggested, if they mixed it up a bit and made it a female Sherlock or something that could be really awesome. There is a worry that if they did that and kept John male there'd be too much temptation to add in some UST, like there isn't plenty of that already with a female/male lead combination!

[fenm.livejournal.com]

the BBC team gives it their blessing if they promise not to lift any ideas word for word, scene for scene

In fairness, some of the BBC's words and scenes come from canon (like some of the exchange between Sherlock and Jim at The Pool), so if CBS used them, as long as they did it in a different context, they'd just be following canon, not copying the BBC.

[sparklywalls.livejournal.com]

Come to think of it, your comment reminds me I did kind of question what counts as copying/plagiarism when that interview was out because (for example) surely if you have a confrontation between a Sherlock and a Moriarty that involves falling off something, that idea has been done several times since the original. I guess the problem might arise if you have that Moriarty telling the Sherlock he has to kill himself or his friends will die and Moriarty has convinced everyone Sherlock is a fake. That could be classed as definitely too similar. Maybe it's not the greatest example but what I'm trying to say is, I know what you mean - I'm just curious how they'd gauge where the line is if it's something obviously inspired by original canon.

[fenm.livejournal.com]

Yeah, exactly. When two or more things are based of the same source or historical event, there are going to be similarities. So when does, "it's the same because of canon" cross over into "you're copying us!"? And heck, what about just independently coming up with the same idea? Irene being attracted to Sherlock is a good example: That's NOT how it happened in canon, yet at least a few modern versions have had that happen. Are they copying each other (I think the RDJ version did it before BBC Sherlock, for example), or did the writers just happen to think it was a good idea?

[(Anonymous)]

Speaking from a legal perspective, the only stuff BBC could sue over would be the entirely original content, which isn't much. Stuff like using texting and or putting Reichenbach fall on a building is not protectable. When the source material is public domain, it's very difficult to prevail in a plagiarism claim unless there's real, word-for-word plagiarism.

[(Anonymous)]

Yep, I completely agree! We have more than enough male/female UST as it is (Bones, Castle... I'm not saying that this is bad, I do love it, but it'd be nice to see something different), but I'd like to see a female Sherlock and a female John... With or without the UST, but I wouldn't say no to non-fetishized UST and BAMF!Jane Watson!