[ SECRET POST #1852 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1852 ⌋


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Comments

[ypsilon42.livejournal.com]

Between her being incredible competent regarding money and general survival and being completly incompetent regarding any kind of emotion, she might be one of my favorite characters ever.

(But seriously, I don't get why people keep going about the racism in Gone with the Wind. I mean, yeah, I realise there is racism in that book. But the book is set 1861, and it was writen 1936 and society was a whole lot more racist that it is nowadays. I mean I am aware, that Scarlett's ideas would be racist by todays standarts, but she is a product of her times. It's not like it would make any sense, if she weren't at least a little racist.)

[(Anonymous)]

+1 It's the kind of blind social justice warriorism that makes no sense at all. It's like those people are completely incapable of understanding that people from different time periods (and/or countries) have different values.

[(Anonymous)]

If you honestly think people saying that Gone with the Wind has racist themes is blind social justice warriorism, you are dumb as hell or racist. It's probably the easiest possible story in existence to illustrate racial inequality in media.

[(Anonymous)]

Come on, now, just because racism was more acceptable back then doesn't mean its existence shouldn't be pointed out. It being the norm and a 'product of the times' does not make it okay.

[mskye.livejournal.com]

What you're saying is absolutely true, but that doesn't make it any more comfortable. Even though it makes sense given the historical context, it's still something that people just have to cringe at.

[tabaqui]

All of this. I was once told i was a horrible racist because i really love the GWtW book and movie. Liking either of them doesn't mean i espouse the 'ideals' of the people or the times.

[diorama23.livejournal.com]

And not only that, her family owned slaves. They had a whole freaking plantation! We're not talking about a character who would have had much to do with the (at the time) liberal abolitionist movement.

[(Anonymous)]

liberal abolitionist movement

Many of whom, FWIW, were as racist as the slaveowners, just expressing it in a different way. They wanted slavery abolished because they wanted to send all the blacks back to Africa (which is how the country of Liberia got founded).

[(Anonymous)]

this. and even the abolitionists who didn't want to send them back to Africa still boggled at the whole "racial equality" thing. it was pretty rare to find a white person to actually want black people given all the same rights as them and treated equally even if they detested slavery.

[diorama23.livejournal.com]

Ummm,yeah? But for the time, it was about as liberal as you can get. Which is why I said (at the time). Was there anyone at that time period who were as liberal as people are today? I very much doubt it. There is little point in judging people by today's standards, because, quite literally, those people attitudes were fairly ingrained and it's not like they could pop on the internet and educate themselves.

[i-paint-the-sky.livejournal.com]

This, so much. I actually think that given her time period and upbringing Scarlett is probably as un-rascist as she could reasonably be expected to be. She certainly has a great respect for Mammy, at least, and seems fond of the other slaves/servants (except Prissy but Prissy is annoying so I don't know if you can blame her for that too much).

I actually remember one scene from the book where a Yankee woman refers to a slave as a negro (I think) and Scarlett is actually all offended that a white woman is using the term. At least I think that's what happened, it's been awhile since I read the book.

[(Anonymous)]

Scarlett appreciates Mammy and the other slaves in their capacities as servants and tools for her use, not as actual human beings with agency, lives and concerns of their own. It's still a form of racism, one that carried through right up to the twentieth century and possibly today. If you've never heard white folk carrying on about how much they loved their black nanny/housekeeper/maid growing up while not knowing a damn thing about her life, her family or how she lived when she wasn't with them, you've missed realizing something.

[i-paint-the-sky.livejournal.com]

I'd still argue that at least with Mammy things went a little deeper than that. But it is admittedly hard to tell since we don't know of Mammy's life beyond her work for the family (though you get the impression that taking care of the family was pretty much her life so ...)

Also, Scarlett pretty much felt that way about everyone, black or white, unless of course said person was Ashley.

[(Anonymous)]

Sweetie, no, the 'It's not really racist' line is not cool.

[i-paint-the-sky.livejournal.com]

Too bad, sweetie.

[othellia.livejournal.com]

I loved how she called out the other men on their hypocrisy when they said it was horrible for her to employee the local white convicts for practically nothing while they thought slavery was all fine and dandy.

[(Anonymous)]

All I'd say about that is, how do you feel when you come across slurs in "historical" texts that people could/would/do apply to you?

Personally, coming across blatent misogyny, however historically correct it might be, always gets my hackles up. I want to read about Cold War Spies or Victorian detectives I could do without people going on about women being fickle, hussies, etc.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, I really dislike historical novels which don't feel like historical novels. Part of that is the treatment of women and POC. A Victorian gentleman detective admiring a woman for wearing trousers in broad daylight and treating all people - no matter their gender, social class or skin color - the same, and only the bad guys finding that really weird, would throw me so far out of the story I might as well be on the Moon.