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Comments

[relmneiko.livejournal.com]

Semi-related question because I'm curious. I missed the makeup boat way back when and I honestly never understood why women wear most of it. I understand cover-up for blemishes or pimples or whatever, but what's the point of eyeshadow? It makes you look like a clown/badger if it stands out, and if you're going for the "natural" look honestly I can never tell the difference anyway. Why would you want your lips to be redder or your cheeks to be redder (unless you're sick/tired and trying to hide it)? All of it looks kinda gross and fake to me. Why are all these common types of make-up so... common? Why don't people just draw squiggly lines all over their faces; it's about as attractive. Why is all make-up the same? Who decided that those patterns were pretty? It seems really arbitrary.

The only kind of makeup I ever learned how to do was theatre make-up - for making your face stand out from a distance. That makes sense to me. The rest.... idek. Every time I see a woman without her makeup I think she looks better.

[ariseishirou.livejournal.com]

Eh... as another woman who missed the whole makeup boat completely, I've seen some women do some really impressive things with makeup. Like construct cheekbones for themselves you can barely tell apart from the real thing, and then only from close up under bright lights, when in reality they're puffy-cheeked and jowly. My bff's wife is puffy-eyed and starting to look a bit older than her age, but after an hour or two with an industrial-sized kit of makeup she looks twenty-something again (well, like a twenty-something wearing a shitton of makeup, but hey, plenty of them do that).

Thing is though, she does this every single day. And refuses to go out of the house unless she's done it. I've crashed at their place overnight before, so I know what she really looks like, but most of her friends and acquaintances don't. And I guess that's worth it, for her. More power to her, if that's what makes her comfortable. Her husband - my bff - absolutely fucking hates it though. He knows what she really looks like too (obviously) and he doesn't care. She's an attractive thirty-something woman. Eventually, everybody looks old. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. He knows he married an older woman. He hates that he can't go anywhere spontaneously, ever, because she needs two hours of prep time to go to the store. ...So he just goes with me instead >> Not that I'm complaining, and she knows we've got no romantic interest in each other, but she is missing out on a lot of bonding time with her own husband because of it.

The "subtle" makeup is kind... pointless, though, I agree. I work part-time at a five-star establishment to fund my grad studies and everyone just assumes I wear makeup because it's part of the "professional" image and everyone else does. I don't, though. I mentioned it to a friend who was so shocked and appalled that they didn't fire me on the spot that I went to asked my boss if she was really okay with my not wearing it (I never have, but my former jobs were in science and engineering where no one gives a shit, this is hospitality) - and she was like o_OOOO "you mean you're not?". She just thought I had a really subtle, natural style. Foundation and a bit of mascara. Nope, just a twenty-something with a clear complexion and dark eyelashes. I don't know, people tell me all the time it can make a huge difference - and sure, I've seen that with women who wear a full kabuki mask of it, but the women who wear a tiny bit every day don't look appreciably different than they do without it, to me.

But, eh, whatever makes them feel better. I've got hobbies they probably think are pointless, myself. I admit I work out as much for vanity as health concerns. But I get very appreciable results from it. Just saying that they really can get classy-looking, appreciable results from it, too, it just requires skill and dedication.

[(Anonymous)]

The "subtle" makeup is kind... pointless, though, I agree. I work part-time at a five-star establishment to fund my grad studies and everyone just assumes I wear makeup because it's part of the "professional" image and everyone else does. I don't, though. I mentioned it to a friend who was so shocked and appalled that they didn't fire me on the spot that I went to asked my boss if she was really okay with my not wearing it (I never have, but my former jobs were in science and engineering where no one gives a shit, this is hospitality) - and she was like o_OOOO "you mean you're not?". She just thought I had a really subtle, natural style. Foundation and a bit of mascara. Nope, just a twenty-something with a clear complexion and dark eyelashes. I don't know, people tell me all the time it can make a huge difference - and sure, I've seen that with women who wear a full kabuki mask of it, but the women who wear a tiny bit every day don't look appreciably different than they do without it, to me.

Blah blah blah. All I can hear is "I don't get why people wear makeup. My skin is fine without makeup. I get compliments all the time for my perfect skin! Why can't people be more like meeee?!"

[ariseishirou.livejournal.com]

...Wow.

Issues, bro. Issues.

[(Anonymous)]

Just because you have nice skin doesn't mean everyone does. As someone who's had hyper skin pigmentation for years, foundation is amazing, it's just how you apply it. Anyways, your post was extremely judge-y which really surprised me,

[ariseishirou.livejournal.com]

What? How? If it did, I apologize, because that was not at all my intention. I was trying to say that people really can use makeup effectively if they're dedicated enough. Very effectively. Whereas relm was saying they always looked bad, and that hasn't been my experience.

[tron-world.livejournal.com]

Yeah to be honest, that was the vibe I was getting as well and was about to vent about how if I didn't have such blemish-infected skin, and dark circles under my eyes, then I wouldn't have to rely on make-up.

How do you get such clear skin? I am always very skeptical of people with absolutely clear, pristine skin. Most of the time, I think they're just secretly wearing these film industry-grade airbrush make-up since they make it look like you have a perfect second skin. I've only come across a few people with completely clear skin, and I am always so very jealous that they aren't cursed with acne. Either that or they've been doing a really good job of covering it up.

I mean, my acne isn't all that bad; it's just the dark blemish marks that they always leave behind that annoys me. It's like I'll never be able to take them off my face, no matter which products I try.

[ariseishirou.livejournal.com]

Honestly? Age and medication.

If your profile reads correctly the biggest reason is that I'm nine years older than you are: I didn't have clear skin when I was your age, either. I had a ton of acne as a teenager, and when I was an undergrad I had what I thought were permanent dark circles under my eyes, too.

For the acne I took Accutane (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotretinoin) and birth control. The former is a very heavy-duty drug, but without it mine (according to my doctor) would have been permanent, so I'd recommend it only if you're in the same boat. It's about three to six months of pure hell, depending on how bad your case is. Your skin sloughs off in huge flakes, you might shed your eyebrows and eyelashes (they grow back right away though), and you're constantly dehydrated, but unlike your run of the mill skin creams and whatnot it gets rid of it completely and permanently. Otherwise, birth control - something someone in college might want to consider anyway, if you're not already on it - might clear it up completely.

For the dark circles, those went away when I could finally control my own sleeping schedule completely. No parents/dormmates to keep me up, and I work schedule that suits the way I like to sleep, on top of the fact that I've completely finished growing and you haven't, so I need far less sleep anyway. Many people aren't aware of the fact that they don't completely finish adolescence until about 25. Also a few years of iron supplements, combined with the pill meant that I wasn't shedding iron so fast every month - it's something I still do on occasion, and that will improve those dark circles too.

I'm not born with it, far from it. Hence, absolutely nothing against people who want to wear makeup, that's totally cool. I took expensive (my insurance covered it, so yours might, too) skin altering medication to get rid of my acne, how could I judge someone who wears concealer? o_O

[(Anonymous)]

You're lucky that medication clears your skin. I don't know how many prescribed medications I have taken for my acne, but it just refused to go away. Don't even get me started on the various chemical peels, pimple creams, home remedies, and soft soaps I have tried over the years. Even if I did get rid of my acne, I'd still be stuck with a face full of acne scars. Thank god for makeup, I say!

[(Anonymous)]

Prefect example of judging people because they don't understand it right thur.

[purrple-267.livejournal.com]

If women look better sans makeup, you just happen to be around women who are bad at makeup, tbh.

[ariseishirou.livejournal.com]

I don't think that's entirely true. There are people who genuinely prefer the way people look without makeup. Everyone has different tastes; I've heard plenty of people coo about how gorgeous Kim Kardashian's eyelashes are for example, and to me it looks like she glued a hideous cave spider to her eyes. Everyone has their own sense of aesthetics. If natural's your thing, then natural's your thing. Nothing wrong with liking makeup face, nothing wrong with liking non-makeup face.

[purrple-267.livejournal.com]

I politely disagree, because tons of makeup is used to create the natural "I'm not really wearing makeup" look and if the 'natural' look looks worse than no makeup, it's bad makeup or bad application. If relmneiko only talks about color or "fun" makeup, than ok, that's just a preference.

Lol, I was just criticizing Kim K's makeup on another site. I hate her superlight undereye concealer. Don't go 5 shades too light people! x(

[ariseishirou.livejournal.com]

I personally use zero makeup to create a natural "I'm not really wearing makeup" look which is, evidently - as per my post upthread - indistinguishable from the "I'm not really wearing makeup" look that requires "tons" of make up, so I suppose we will have to politely disagree, yes.

Hey if she likes horrible cave spiders on her eyes, I'm not going to judge ;p

[purrple-267.livejournal.com]

I noticed I phrased that stupidly, I ment tons of makeup sold is for that natural look, not tons of makeup is needed to create it, neutrals always outsell bright, fun colors for a reason.

But if you put foundation on your perfect skin and it suddenly starts looking worse or just the same, there's a problem with the foundation or application, since foundation should enhance your skin, even if it already looks good. So 'people looking better without makeup' is an exception not a rule, even with naturally good-looking people, imo.

[ariseishirou.livejournal.com]

Oh, I getcha' now. I see your point, too.

...If you don't mind me asking, because you seem to know your stuff and I know basically nothing: I have very clear skin (however much that seems to enrage some random anon, it's true) and the few times in my life I've worn foundation it just looked made me look washed out, like my face (I also have naturally reddish cheeks) suddenly became unicolour and plastic-looking. What am I doing wrong here? Too little? Too much? Wrong kind? Wrong colour? Am I supposed to put the colour back in with rouge? I used a liquid foundation that I'd matched with my skin tone as best I could.

[purrple-267.livejournal.com]

For that unicolor thing you could try blush, or if you wanna go all the way - a contour and/or highlighter, all that will add dimension. 'Washed out' could also mean the shade might be too light or the wrong undertone (despite what many believe, not everyone is warm yellow, there's also cool, olive, neutral undertones, etc.). You could also try a lighter coverage, so your natural skintone shows through more, like sheer foundation or a tinted moisturiser. I've been loving pretty much every Korean bb cream lately - tinted moisturiser, sunscreen and very arguable skincare benefits I don't believe in all rolled into one! :D Shade selection and access suck though (pretty much just ebay).

[tron-world.livejournal.com]

I read in various psychology articles that the reason for blush and lipstick is to let the potential mating partner give of signs of ovulation. A simulated flushed face pretty much simulates the look of sexual arousal. Also, the red lips a symbolism for an aroused vagina...yeh, pretty much.