[ SECRET POST #1866 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1866 ⌋


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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

If you're generally more interested in het, you're just someone who's generally more interested in het. It doesn't mean you're homophobic.

But if there's not even one LGBT character you care about, or pairing you ship, then that's a little suspect. It doesn't mean you're a bad person, it just means that you might have some prejudices to work on getting rid of. I don't know you, but a lot of straight people have this thing where any gay character/relationship is characterized first and foremost by it being GAY, while straight characters/relationships get to be defined by the character's personality or the way the people in the relationship interact.

I get if your favorites are always going to be het, but I don't understand why a gay character that's the same "type" as a straight character you like, or a gay relationship that's the same "type" of relationship as a het one you like, is so different. I mean, I'm gay and I dislike het generally... but if there's a het ship that has the dynamics I like, I'll still like that particular ship, you know? So I just don't get it.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm sort of the same, if I read you right, and dynanic >>>>>> gender by a long long way (except, my pairings tend to stick vaguely to what canon would consider possible, because... I dunno. I like playing inside the box or something.)

But I get why some people prefer one type over another. I mean, I intellectually understand "I'm a straight woman so reading about a woman's arousal isn't for me and that's why I like slash" in the same way that I understand "I'm a woman therefore I need a woman to be part of the pairing to really get it so my ships are predominantly het and none of them are slash" - because a lot of fandom pairing is fancying one half and putting yourself in the shoes of the other. And lesbians - no, actually, multiple female characters - are often a rarity.

(What about gen, I hear you ask, or being in a character without being interested in their romantic attachments? This is fandom, I reply, and laugh in your face at your innocence. Because it's all about the porn.)

[(Anonymous)]

+1
Sharing the same sexuality is very shaky ground to "relate" to. I'm pan, but I do not "relate" to every queer, straight, gay, or whatever girl. Assuming OP is a straight girl, by their logic they must relate to Bella/Edward more than Kirk/Spock.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree.

[(Anonymous)]

"But if there's not even one LGBT character you care about, or pairing you ship, then that's a little suspect. It doesn't mean you're a bad person, it just means that you might have some prejudices to work on getting rid of."

WTF? If you can't accept that some people have no problem with LBGT in real life but just aren't interested in reading about them in fandom, then maybe YOU are the one who has some prejudices to work on getting rid of.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT, not the way I'm reading it.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

I think you're misinterpreting.

I have no interest in reading about heterosexuality. (No, I'm not straight myself.) Het itself, for virtue of being het, is not my thing. However, no het relationship is ONLY a het relationship. There are sweet, cute het relationships, angsty het relationships, het relationships as an awesome partnership between two badasses, rivalry het relationships, etc. While het isn't a draw for me, badass/badass ships and rivalry ships are, and some of mine happen to be het ships. Even though the gender configuration isn't my favorite, it doesn't mean that there's nothing there at all to like about the relationship.

Do I ship those het pairings as hard as I do the queer ships that I love? No. Do I ship them at all? Yes. Do I read fanfic just for sexual reasons? No, and if the OP does then it's reasonable if they only like one sort of ship.

But the reason I think it smacks of unconscious homophobia is that there are all kinds of het ships and all kinds of queer ships, and if the OP finds nothing likable about any ship that is between two people of the same gender or even any character that's LGBT, nothing likable at all, then the OP probably sees any gay character/ship as nothing more than "gay". I don't think the OP needs to prefer queer anything to het anything, but the point is that it looks like the OP doesn't like anything involving gay people.

[(Anonymous)]

Completely different anon who is late to this party and will probably be overlooked anyway, here...

I just wanted to point out that some people have lives and just don't have the fucking time to experiment with every goddamned shipping possibility out there. Yeah, incidentally, all of my ships are het. But by "all of my ships," I mean the total number of "my" ships can be counted on one hand with some fingers left over. Does the fact that there are no slash ships on that hand make me a homophobe? Sorry, but I don't fucking think so.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

If you like <5 ships and they're all het, then no, that doesn't say anything about your feelings on queer people.

However, most people in fandom, at least the ones I've known (and who knows, the pool of people I know is probably not very representative) have many more than that. It's not always a case of having no life outside fandom, so get off your high horse. You are not superior to people who spend more time on the internet than you do.

[hiyami.livejournal.com]

+1.
The number of ship I'll read about is < 5 because there are only so few characters I'm interested enough to read about outside of canon.
So I really don't think people should make assumptions on whether someone is homophobe or heterophobe based on what they do in fandom.

Time is short, and in addition to everything else that's been said, not everyone strives to be popular by being extremely productive about every existing pairing, or writing fics on request...
Just because you write fic doesn't mean you *have* to write some for friends / fandom fellows.

[swaggerdoodle.livejournal.com]

I think the biggest issue with this isn't the OP themselves but the portrayal of queer people in fiction in general. How many central gay characters have you know whose sexuality has nothing to do with how they are treated and/or portrayed as just a normal person who happens to be gay? I'm not much into movies but in my experience with shows I have encountered a grand total of one, and that's George Huang from Law and Order: SVU. He's not even really a main character of the show.

I've said this before but I'll keep repeating myself. I would much rather see a story about a cop who happens to be gay than a gay man who happens to be a cop. Until we're able to do that, I'm afraid non-hetero couples just won't be accepted as anything but "other" in the general public mind.

[(Anonymous)]

Really interesting way to put it, and maybe that's a hint as to why slash is so popular in fandom - you get to see characters who are aready fully fleshed-out in canon, who just happen to also be gay for the purposes of the fic.

[swaggerdoodle.livejournal.com]

But see, that's kind of the thing. In my (admittedly slightly limited) experience with slash, the fact that they're gay almost always overpowers all their other normal attributes we see in canon. One of my least favorite offenders is the whole idea that gay = nymphomaniac. Seriously, I can't count how many times a dude couldn't even wake up in the morning without having to jump into InstaHorny mode. Seriously, if the majority of gay men got as much ass as gay guys do in fic, they'd all need asshole reconstruction surgery at some point in their life. That's why if I do read slash I prefer it to have limited-to-no sex unless the plot calls for it.

[(Anonymous)]

I generally agree with what you said, but I very much disagree that OP should feel "suspect" if he or she does not ship or care about any LGBT characters. I'm bisexual and none of the characters I'm interesting in are LGBT, and neither are any of my OTPs. This does not make me homophobic - it's just because my favorite characters just happen to not be gay, or because there isn't a large representation of diverse queer characters/couples in the media.

[(Anonymous)]

This is the way I feel about it too. I can understand having a preference but if you don't ship ANYTHING that isn't het regardless of whether they have the same character dynamics that you like in your het ships... yeah, you might want to examine why that is.

Porn is one thing, I can understand only being interested in the sort of porn that gets you off, but... if a het ship and a gay ship have exactly the same sort of dynamics and you only like one and not the other, that's a little odd.