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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-02-11 03:19 pm

[ SECRET POST #1866 ]

⌈ Secret Post #1866 ⌋


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(Anonymous) 2012-02-12 09:16 pm (UTC)(link)
I think it's because you're othering gay couples more than anything. Does it make you homophobic? No, but it shows how you are affected from a homophobic society. When you are surrounded by media that protray het couples is basically 99% of the time. It feels "normal and relatable" to you and being heterosexual helps. You subconsciously think of them as "the non-straight couple" instead of "a couple". Remember that us LGBT folks yearn for ficiton that doesn't as issues or teachable moments (ala coming out story or the like. Not that coming out stories are bad, it's just that it seems that it's the only portrayal of LGBT folks get in media and rarely fleshed beyond that), our relationship is equal to heterosexual ones in a lot of ways

Think of it as the same issue as White people say about minority characters and don't write any minority characters.

Just keep your options open. It doesn't mean you will ship a thousand slash/femslash pairings although reading slash and writing stories are totes different. Writing isn't all about writing what you know and research doesn't hurt.

And I disagree with people equating this to disliking het. Het is a different beast altogether. There was a point that I didn't like her because so many of them had female characters never existing outside of her romantic relationship and her endgame was to be a housewife with kids. As someone who had aspirations along marriage with kids, I was frustrated until I read a manga that averted those tropes and had a female main who had professional aspirations and existed outside of her romantic relationship and had marriage with kids. Now it doesn't mean "housewife with kids" endgame itself was bad, but the prevalence of it like it was the only happy end option for female characters was bad. Seeking fiction like that on top of the typical stuff made it easier to read the typical stuff even if media still struggle with writing well-rounded female characters.

And that you realistically can't other heterosexuality and hetero couples. They are considered the default. People who don't identify with heterosexuals make have issues with het for other reasons.

Now, it doesn't mean you have to write LGBT couples but you can be a better writer for it. And I am not talking about slash.

(Anonymous) 2012-02-13 02:32 am (UTC)(link)
+a million.

I was trying to explain this earlier, but failed miserably. Props to you.

(Anonymous) 2012-02-13 06:15 am (UTC)(link)
This. Like or dislike for a pairing (and I'm talking the G-rated stuff here, not porn because having distinct preferences there is totally understandable) should be based on the dynamics, not the genders. LGBT people aren't that different from straight people, I promise. Yes, we can face issues that straight people don't, but it's not like we're some alien species.

[identity profile] fuchsiascreams.livejournal.com 2012-02-13 10:24 am (UTC)(link)
Agree with all of this.

What does "othering" mean? I've seen it used a few times, but I don't quite understand the term, or at least don't have a good enough grasp of it to be comfortable using it myself.

[identity profile] tigerdreams.livejournal.com 2012-02-14 02:30 am (UTC)(link)
The sense of it I've always gotten is basically, to depict or portray the subject as inherently outside the spectrum of "normal" experience; to exotify them or turn them into a spectacle; to set up implied categories of "us" and "them," and shove the subject firmly into the "them" out-group; to paint them as outsiders in a way that can even call their basic humanity into question. That's how I've always understood "othering," at any rate.