[ SECRET POST #1866 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1866 ⌋


Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS. #18 is a flashing/blinking gif.


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 08 pages, 190 secrets from Secret Submission Post #267.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 2 3 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - repeats ]
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom.livejournal.com]

07. http://i43.tinypic.com/339pyxj.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

I feel the same way about het pairings most of the time, so I guess I understand.

The only thing that throws me off is the last line of your secret. Like, you're not interested in gay people period? Or by "interested" do you just mean as in sexually...?

[mutantjules.livejournal.com]

That sounds okay to me. As long as you don't think gay relationships are inherently less than straight ones, you're fine. You don't have to have a personal interest in em, it's not homophobia to just not particularly ship any.

[(Anonymous)]

You know you're crazy, right? Not reading slash or het porn on the basis of lack of attraction makes some kind of sense because people are turned on by images. Not being interested in straight or gay people because of their orientation? Yes, you have a problem. There is a problem with you. It goes both ways (I've seen slash fans who won't entertain the idea of het pairings just because they characters aren't gay) and both ways, it's a problem with you.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't see anything wrong with not being interested in gay people. People shouldn't have to feign an interest in the lives of others simply because they are gay.

[(Anonymous)]

No, you don't sound homophobic, and the way fandom acts towards people who don't ship slash (not people who don't support it, but people who don't actively ship it) is one of the few things I genuinely dislike about fandom. You like what you like and support things in the real world even if they don't particularly affect you--you're doing fine.

[goobbledigook.livejournal.com]

Not only they make you support gay rights, they make you be interested in gay people too?! gosh, when will your torture end? ;__;

[writerserenyty.livejournal.com]

I think it's fine, as long as you support gay rights and acknowledge that gay relationships aren't any worse than straight ones.

I mean, I SORT of get it because I tend to ship het, but I prefer a certain TYPE of relationship that tends to be in some canon het pairings more than I see it in slash pairings.

[finmagik.livejournal.com]

I feel the same way. But I said some douchey things as well and they got taken the wrong way. But I'm a huge supportor of LBGT rights offline. My Dad came out as transgendered in 2008, and I accepted her and realized how much happier she was as a woman. My uncle is gay and the most loving, giving, positive person I know. I'm bisexual most of friends are. And I don't get that I get labeled homophobic because I don't support the fandom's favorite slash pairing. I only judge a person on their actions and character not who they love or fuck (unless that person or thing can't consent or doesn't). In Doctor who I support and love all kinds of slash because canon jumps around there are gaps and I think you don't see everything that goes on in TARDIS all the time.

I've liked slash in other fandoms. Hell I love Queer as Folk. And yes I said I was sorry.

But in other fandoms I've found as well. I've had to 'go along' with slash and sometimes het pairing that don't make any ding-dong sense to me. Harry Potter fandom. I'm like: "Them?! But Colin Creevy and Peeves have more chemistry! Sure they've never met... but... Oh god.."
So I shut the hell up, I was lucky it was so vast I could afford to ship what I wanted until it got canon'd. For a while I shipped Snape/Millicent Bulstrode. Zacharias Smith/Blaise Zabini!

And what you do when so many fics even serious ones are people doing stereotypes. One character becomes the 'woman' or the 'femme' and the other is the 'man' or 'the butch'. Or semi and uke. In I dunno fandoms based on things where both character in canon act as masculine as anything but maybe one buys nicer clothes. And that gets spun out into them being a swishy fashionista. Oh then they kill off or evil the woman. Can't they stay IC? I mean there are queens and twinks and such. But then are average guys who happen to find other guys hot and not dig women. Isn't there a video on youtube called: "I'm gay but..."
Yeah..

And then there are kinks that are playing into this. Kinks are fine but robbing a character of what makes them, that character for the sake of a fic. To me you might as well be turning them a big ass sex toy. A doll that only looks like them on the outside. Then again what we see, read etc are all subjective we are seeing through the lense of our brains, culture, bias etc. Look at the debates we get in! "He saved her! No he robbed of her dignity!" Wank, wank, wank.
Even actors, writers, producers might not agree.

So yeah big can of worms.

TL;DR: I am HUGE HUGE support of LBGT rights IRL. But I don't happen to like every slash pairing. Also all slash is not equal. Some of it sucks and is OOC

PS. I want Thomas to have a lover on the next Downtwon series. Maybe a Hot, very macho Northern under-gardern played by... Tom Hardy and a shirtless scene by the same?

[(Anonymous)]

Congratulations. You're like most of the straight people in the whole world.

[(Anonymous)]

lol straight people problems.

[sparklywalls.livejournal.com]

If you mean you're not interested in reading it...I sort of get you. I too am hoping that last sentence was just bad wording so I'll pass that over. I do like to read slash at times...but only from the point of view of being interested in what's implied, how characters interact and wild speculation. I've never been big on the consummation/porn. Then again I feel that way about het pairings also. Over the years I've realised I prefer gen or romantic pairings where it isn't the main plot point. I suppose I'd put it like I prefer the flirtation with an idea.

I'm a heterosexual woman in a very happy relationship but for some reason I don't identify very well with pairing-driven fic, even though that should be what "speaks" to me most I guess. But I sometimes (only sometimes) feel fandom is all about the porn and I'm weird. I dunno...suppose what I'm saying is I don't think it's homophobic to not be interested in gay relationships so long as you don't go around saying anything like you don't like it because gay people are wrong - that would be homophobic.

[(Anonymous)]

What is up with these oppressed het shipper secrets lately?

[(Anonymous)]

That's how I feel about transgenders, tbh. I support transgender rights in a distanced "let people be whoever they want to be", but honestly? I don't care to read any fic about it, I don't care to discuss it.... it just doesn't interest me whatsoever. *Kenye shrug* I don't waste time if this makes me some kind of gender-phobe or whatever, but you're not alone OP.

[(Anonymous)]

There's nothing wrong with you and you're not homophobic. Some people aren't interested in slash (hi, I feel the exact same way) just like some people aren't interested in het. That doesn't mean you're diminishing gay people in any way.

And ignore the bitching about your last line. Anyone who doesn't get that you're talking in fandom terms needs to calm down, have some tea and realize that this is the same over-reactive SJW crap we were all pointing out two posts ago.

[(Anonymous)]

OP here, agreed that the "interested in gay people" was badly worded and really should've read "interested in homosexuality". I personally know gay people, respect them like everyone else and vote/petition for their benefit, I just don't find myself particularly fascinated by slash or any other media with LGBT themes.

Fandom had given me the self-doubt that I might be homophobic because most LGBT people/characters/pairings don't get much of a "squee" reaction out of me (even though I'm perfectly OKAY with the whole thing, let me stress this). Reading the comments so far, though, it seems that this is not as bad a thing as I thought, so thanks for that F!S.

[cloud-riven.livejournal.com]

Naw. It just means you're drawn to make fanwork of what you like. I certainly think you're just a bad writer if you find it impossible to write things you can't relate to (not exclusively romantic), but there's absolutely no reason for you to do so if you don't enjoy it anyways. People who get picky over your shipping preferences are really fucking uptight, and wasting too much energy trying to analyze you imo.

For me, canon relationships generally bore me because I just cannot see the chemistry, or I get the inkling that the character's only reason to exist is to be a romantic interest (as is the case with way too many token female characters). Not all the time, just most, but it tends to look like I'm anti-het at times. But that's stupid.

[citrinesunset.livejournal.com]

A lot of it could just be that sexually/romantically, straight pairings appeal to you more. It's also very possible that it's largely what you're used to. A lot of us don't grow up being exposed to gay relationships much, and there's very little media portrayal. It's easy to recognize that the portrayal of romance in the media isn't usually that realistic. But even so, it can still influence what we see as the romantic or sexual ideal.

I'm queer, but it was hard for me to reach a point where I could imagine being in a gay relationship and having it be romantic and beautiful in the way I saw straight relationships portrayed (well, to the extent that's realistic, at least, since the portrayals are seldom realistic). Maybe if you grew up seeing gay couples portrayed like straight couples are, it wouldn't seem as foreign to you.

[micromyni.livejournal.com]

No, you don't need to write it. Don't force yourself, it'll only lead to a misplaced feeling of resentment.

[swaggerdoodle.livejournal.com]

I can kind of understand your position on that last statement, OP. I believe people who identify as non-hetero deserve equal rights and treatment as those who are hetero oriented. I myself am not straight. That being said, I don't take any interest in the politics of the LGBT community or the culture. I also don't care about a relationship just because it happens to be between people of the same gender. Being gay doesn't make anyone an OMG SO FABULOUS SHUPER SHPESHUL SNOWFLAKE!!1! Gay people are just as boringly normal as hetero people. I guess I just don't understand what the big deal is.

[(Anonymous)]

I could've written this secret, anon.

[(Anonymous)]

That "do I have to be interested in gay people" is the most unfortunate phrasing I have ever seen.

I know what you're getting at but goddamn bro.

[fm-gatekeeper.livejournal.com]

It sounds to me like you might have a little internalized homophobia, but that doesn't make you a bad person? That actually makes you a pretty normal person. (Which, in my opinion, is not necessarily a good thing, but it's also not necessarily your fault.)

It does sound like you're trying, and that's good--keep doing it.

[(Anonymous)]

Your phrasing is unfortunate at best, but I have a feeling that it might be closer to "Do I have to take interest in gay people's personal lives?" or something like that.

If you could be friends with someone who happens to be gay, could be interested in a character/TV personality that happens to be gay, etc. then I wouldn't worry about it. Your support is more important than your like or dislike of the more personal aspects.

However if you had a friend/character that you found out was gay, and then couldn't like them anymore, I'd say it was an issue.

TL;DR - You don't have to like "gay culture" but if you actively aren't interested in people because they are gay then there is an issue. (Although you'd still be better than most because at least you're still supporting their rights.)

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

I don't guess it's a bad thing to examine your choices from time to time, but - why do people twist themselves up in this beyond a reasonable self-review? If you're writing romantic or porny fanfic, you write what interests you on a romantic or sexual level. Why would you want to write about a couple (or a polyfic, if that's your thing) you're not sexually attracted to, for free, in your free time? This shit isn't going to a publisher, for Christ's sake.

I get so frustrated when I see fans berating fanfic writers for not producing more f/f or writing the canon female love interest into their m/m story. THAT'S NOT WHAT INTERESTS THE WRITER ON A SEXUAL LEVEL AT THE TIME OF WRITING, FOR FUCK'S SAKE. It doesn't mean they don't support feminist or lesbian rights, or that they hate either group of people.

Please.