[ SECRET POST #1870 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1870 ⌋


Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 67 secrets from Secret Submission Post #267.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeats ]
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

In addition to the aforementioned usage of "fag" and "faggot" to refer to kindling, cigarettes, etc, I'd just like to toss in that in the past it's meant many other things as well.

Firstly, there was a system of "fagging" in many boys' schools in Edwardian/Late Victorian English schooling. It was essentially a page system - older boys (fag-masters) at school would have younger boys (fags) as their attendant, and they'd run errands and do favors for them, while the older boys could offer mentorship and discipline and training to the younger boys. For more information on this definition of fag/fagging, see the first red box of text here (http://edwardianpromenade.com/education/boys-public-school-eton/).

Furthermore, in the same era, "fagged" was also synonymous with tired and exhausted. Many soldiers during World War One used this term, and it's been documented in letters and other correspondence. For example, Albert Ball, an English pilot, uses the term here (http://albertball.homestead.com/recollections.html) in the letter excerpts from April 23rd, 1917 and April 29th, 1917.

I'm going to refrain from arguing one way or another in this debacle, but I'd just like to point out the variations in word usage, meaning, and connotation, and how words change in all those regards over time, because it's fascinating to me!

[(Anonymous)]

Welp, those links didn't work? Oh well, they're still there to copy/paste if you feel like reading them.

[vivi314.livejournal.com]

It's pretty pretty amazing how things change like that, thank you so much for the info!
As for the secret, if OP feels warm/fuzzy and doesn't mind it themselves, that's all good, as long as they acknowledge that it can still be used to offend and hurt people in many other contexts /shrug

[(Anonymous)]

The "fagging" you refer to has the same root as the "fag" used to refer to homosexuals. Originally an awkward and heavy bundle of sticks, it came to mean a woman in a similar way that "baggage" did, and then later, that "woman" slur was attached to homosexuals and subservient boys. The schoolboys were "fags" because they were, in modern slang, the upperclassmen's bitches.

The word hasn't changed that much.

[mskye.livejournal.com]

It makes sense that a slur against homosexual men would have roots in misogyny...