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[ SECRET POST #1874 ]

⌈ Secret Post #1874 ⌋

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I'm surprised you were able to stick with it for this long. I gave up halfway through Skypeia, and I'm convinced that Oda can't write villains for shit. Arlong was a fluke that he's never been able to reproduce.

And when I found out that he later pigeonholed the only four characters I liked, I'm glad I quit when I did.

And when I found out that he later pigeonholed the only four characters I liked, I'm glad I quit when I did
Which characters? I'm contemplating picking up One Piece after only reading the only the first few volumes.

Nami, Sanji, Zoro, and Ace. After Skypeia, Oda seems to forget they exist. This wouldn't have been so bad if all the characters I couldn't stand (Robin, Franky, and especially Usopp) hadn't moved in to hog all the screen/pagetime.

Wait... Ok, so what do you mean by "pigeonholed"? To me, that just sounds like he's making them play specific roles and do the same thing all the time. But I think you mean something different.

Yeah, it was probably the wrong word. Though to be fair, they have specific roles, except for Ace. But...yeah, not the right word. It's more like Oda's ignoring all the characters I like and giving the bulk of the attention to the ones I don't. Either way, I'm not missing much.

I think you probably meant mothballing.

*had to look that one up*

Yeah, actually. That's a very apt word. Thanks!

You're either a troll or you haven't read the manga for a long time. I mean, there's a whole damn arc dedicated to Ace and Luffy (two if you count the flashback as a separate arc), for one.

Um...I said I quit halfway through Skypeia, didn't I? So no, I haven't read the manga in at least 5 or 6 years. I have no desire to pick it back up based on what I've heard happened, either.

So what, you wanted Oda to write about Nami, Sanji, Zoro and Ace all the time? The first three played an important role in Skypiea too, so I don't get how "Oda seems to forget that they exist". One Piece has an ensemble cast, who gets the spotlight varies between arcs, POVs and chapters.

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(Anonymous) - 2012-02-19 22:24 (UTC) - Expand

omfg ace is foreverrr. ; o ;

I... Okay. So, you stopped reading. I'll give you that. Nami, Sanji, Zoro, and Ace <--- But this statement is so untrue, I.. I don't even know where to begin. These characters are so important [Sanji and Zoro alone being 2/3 of the main fighting force HEAVILY featured in every single major battle with the exception of Impel Down/Marineford] and so very featured. Robin and Franky were the new guys- yeah, they had arcs that fleshed them out. Just like every other crew member. And then it evened out again. Hell, Robin and Franky's backstory arguably takes place in the same story arc!

It just seems weird and pissy to quit a series because your favorite characters weren't ALWAYS the focus of a manga with an enormous cast. I tend to think you are just hugely misinterpreting the secondhand information you've encountered- I mean Ace himself was always a minor character until Impel Down. He's in a few chapters, and some cover pages. The anime extended his participation with crappy desert filler, but he really kind of just came and went in the manga.

A sincere whatever- I just think you quit a damn good series for imaginary reasons.

Okay, I was apparently drunk with One Piece!Rage when I wrote that. I don't know. You get the gist, I'm sure.

Being part of the main fighting force doesn't mean the character is getting to do something worthwhile. Their stories weren't being advanced in any way I saw, so I gave up. They were bashing baddies and that was it.

It just seems weird and pissy to quit a series because your favorite characters weren't ALWAYS the focus of a manga with an enormous cast.

When did I ever say I wanted those four to be the focus all the time? I said I quit because Oda seemed to stop paying attention to them altogether unless he needed an enemy's balls to get bashed in.

*shrug* I think I gave up on a series that was turning out to not be my cup of tea. And fans like you are just another reason I'm glad I left.

I'm sorry, but what?! Yes, Robin is a central focus in Enies Lobby, because it's her arc, in the same way that Arlong Park was Nami's arc. But other than that, Nami tends to be the main female character, front and centre, whereas Robin tends to just add the odd fun comment and be part of the group. Zoro's popularity and powers got so out of control that he was threatening to overtake Luffy (and Oda basically had to injure him severely to make sure he couldn't legitimately fight Kuma at Sabaody). Ace was the catalyst for one of the biggest storylines in the entire series and got his own backstory arc. Sanji may have gotten more and more ridiculous, but he also became the favoured comic relief character so he was constantly pushed to the front to show us his reactions. I've seen people constantly arguing that these four got too much attention but this is the first time I've seen anyone say Oda started acting like they didn't exist! o___0

Like I said in previous comments, they were only dragged back out to kick bad guy ass. But as characters they didn't get to do anything worthwhile after Skypeia. I don't feel obligated to continue a series when the characters I like get pushed aside for the ones I can't stand.

Seeing so many people get their nipples in a knot because I lost interest in it just makes me even more glad I dropped it. I'd rather not be part of a fandom that obnoxiously rabid.

It's not people getting angry at you for dropping the series, it's people being in disbelief that anyone could honestly say that Nami, Sanji, Zoro and Ace have been pushed to the background, to the extent that you'd say it's like Oda forgot them. People are reacting to that statement, because it's such a bizarre, untruthful thing to say.

If you don't want to read the series, that's fine. I think people are just wondering where you got your information from, that you think those characters are shoved to the sidelines and don't develop.

Ace was an extremely minor character with very little development before Skypeia - since then he's been at the centre of a war, and we've seen him react to that, being used as a pawn, as well as seeing his backstory. He's basically gone from being Luffy's brother who showed up once to an actual character.

The next big arc after Skypeia is Water 7/Enies Lobby (the Foxy pirates story in-between was more like a stop-over than a huge part of the story). In the Water 7/Enies Lobby arc we saw Sanji beginning to deal with the risk he puts his nakama at by refusing to hit a girl, Nami growing more determined than ever to be able to hold her own in a fight to save her nakama, and Zoro stepping into his role as the person who has to say what nobody wants to say but everybody needs to hear. After that was Thriller Bark, which saw one of the biggest, most important moments between Zoro and Sanji, where Zoro literally offers to give up his life to save Luffy and Sanji tries to take the fall instead because he wants Zoro to achieve his dream of becoming the world's greatest swordsman, only for Zoro to knock Sanji out to keep Sanji from being hurt. It's a huge moment and a long-coming marks a turning point in their relationship.

I'm not saying all this to tell you that you're wrong for dropping the series. But I am trying to say that telling people that you've heard these characters are sidelined and that they don't grow in canon is going to cause a reaction, because it simply isn't true. Whoever told you that is incorrect and the people in this thread are trying to explain that. It really shouldn't be a surprise when people here at F!S react to somebody dissing their favourite fandoms, especially when they're using false 'evidence' to make their point.

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insanenoodlyguy.livejournal.com - 2012-02-20 12:16 (UTC) - Expand

I second this request.

I gave up after Skypeia. I check in every now and then, but I'm not really impressed. Also, I already read Detective Conan, I don't need two series that will possibly go on for another ten years and that move at a snail's pace.

That's what annoyed me about the OP anime. I enjoyed it, but the padding was unbearable. It's like one episode was half a chapter!

i gotta disagree with you there. I mean, if you don't like OP, you don't, but they are making progress. In a slow way perhaps, but they have actively moved through the grand line.

Conan seems to consist of the kind of "one step forward, one step forward, two steps back tot he status quo!" that's generally criticized by anime fans as being everything wrong with american spandex comics. As i said, you like what you like, but even if you feel it's dragging on too long, I'm not so sure if the same intent is there.

I'm somewhat sad you missed the glorious return of Coby.

Edited 2012-02-19 21:52 (UTC)

Oh, I read that. It was awesome, I admit that. Coby was awesome. I guess "gave up" wasn't correctly. More like, my enthusiasm faded. Also, I would have missed Nico Robin's past, and that would have been a big loss.

I definitely stopped reading before they split up though. Since they're together again, I started reading again, but only a chapter every couple of months, when I remember it. I think that once the series ends, I'll go back and read the entire story. If it ends.

I think my main problem with OP is less the pacing, but more the fact that the arcs are so damn long, and when I don't care about the arc, I have to wait half an eternity for it to end.

Conan is AWFUL. I mean, I still love it, I have for the past 9 or 10 years, but damn. The most recent thing: Finally, chapter 800 came around, and it was EPIC. Three important characters came together, Vermouth appeared all of a sudden, it was a perfect set-up... next chapter, barbecue with the Detective Boys. I almost cried tears of frustration. I bet the next time something plot-relevant happens is chapter 900. So yeah, it's true, OP at least moves forward. Conan takes a step and then stays at the same spot for about 50 chapters. But on the other hand, at least there's different cases. So maybe I hate that one case, but it only lasts five chapters, and the next case is exciting/has the right characters in it, etc.

Sorry for the rambling. XD

Sounds about right. Well, as I said, you like what you like. I think this is a series that reads faster in one go though, so maybe you only check every half an eternity? :P

But Detective Conan is like the same episode every episode. D: I loved Detective Conan at one point but sooner or later I found myself sleeping through the episodes.

One piece, on the other hand, for me, is so hard not to watch. D: I've been trying to save episodes up but i get so tempted to watch once a new episode comes out!

true, one piece gets boring at a lot of points, but it's so nice now idekjsghlksdg. /just watching the anime btw, not reading the manga or anything lol

I'm just reading the Conan manga. The anime has 10x more filler. That was just too frustrating. XD But well, as I said, sometimes, a case can be interesting. Like the current case that involves one of the main supporting characters. It reminds me a bit of that one CSI episode directed by Quentin Tarantino.

When the anime aired in Germany, it ran from the first episode straight to the end of Skypeia. And yes, I watched every single episode. It is a good anime, no doubt about that.

Admittedly, Skypeia was probably my least favorite arc. However, it's too bad you didn't give it more of a chance, it really gets amazing after that.

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