[ SECRET POST #1891 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1891 ⌋


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Comments

[fscom.livejournal.com]

NS, NF, etc

[(Anonymous)]

There's never a bad reason to learn a language.

except for, like, trying to colonize the people who speak it, i guess.

[visp.livejournal.com]

Well, if you were going to colonize them, wouldn't you demand they learn your language?

[(Anonymous)]

na

I think it depends on what anon means by colonization. A lot of missionary work is a subtle way of changing the culture of a 'lesser' peoples into your own. Learning the language helps warm them up to you and your message. But in general, yes, most countries would force locals to adopt their language.

[thecrazyalaskan.livejournal.com]

I've always been interested in sign language, but watching Switched at Birth lit some kind of a fire under my ass and now I can't get enough of it. (Not sure if that counts as pure reasoning or not.) I didn't realize being spurred to learn something I never would have otherwise was considered "fetishizing" by some people. God, what would those people say when I tell them this show is what first made me want to become an ASL interpreter? :/

[megalomaniageek.livejournal.com]

No reasonable person considers it "fetishizing." This goes for most language learning unless it's for a skeevy reason like "I wanna be able to pick up deaf chicks" or something. Some people just live in this little insular angry world where any interest a majority member has in a minority must be fetishizing and/or appropriation.
Besides, it's important to have hearing people who know ASL, otherwise there won't be translators for deaf people, not to mention all the difficulty I imagine deaf people face in a world full of stores and government offices very lacking in ASL fluent people.

[inkedfeathers.livejournal.com]

"I wanna be able to pick up deaf chicks"

Oh, dear, now that would be creepy.

I suppose some people think that if you're inspired by a movie or a show or some other form of entertainment, your desire to learn is somehow less pure or something... or something, I don't know. People are strange.

[megalomaniageek.livejournal.com]

I suppose some people think that if you're inspired by a movie or a show or some other form of entertainment, your desire to learn is somehow less pure or something... or something

Yeah, I've seen that viewpoint too and it seems really silly to me. I mean, part of the reason good representation is important is because many people are exposed to the larger world through entertainment. It seems to me, also, that if the entertainment is old (i.e. classic literature) then it's okay to be inspired by it, but if it was made in the last fifty years then it's just trash and how dare you become interested in a different culture because it was featured in a show you like! But then I see this double standard applied to the power of stories a lot.

I suppose it would be problematic if, say, somebody saw appreciation of a culture and participation in fandom as one in the same or something - I can see how that would be disrespectful and would come off as trivializing a culture - especially if their interest is very fickle. And there are many ways to be insensitive about it; I imagine that when, say, Bend It Like Beckham or Slumdog Millionaire came out, some Indian Americans who were previously regarded with disinterest were suddenly inundated with questions about India, which then died out as a result of the movie passing out of popularity. But if somebody saw one of those movies and was inspired to really study Indian culture or Hindi or something, I don't see why that would be fetishizing or wrong or appropriative.

[inkedfeathers.livejournal.com]

People tend to be elitist snobs, clearly, about what is respectable or true art and okay to be inspired by and what is pop culture trash that's utterly meaningless, how dare you find meaning in such shallow material.

Oh, yes, I certainly agree that in those cases, it would be problematic! I guess that's why anime fans who get interested in learning Japanese/studying Japanese culture are often regarded with so much contempt, like it's a sure thing that their interest won't last past their anime obsession... ^^;;

[were-lemur.livejournal.com]

"I wanna be able to pick up deaf chicks"

Sadly, I overheard this conversation tonight in ASL class. (It's the same asshat who also refuses to understand that "don't speak in class, it's considered RUDE in Deaf culture and also inhibits the learning value of an immersion class" actually applies to him.)

[inkedfeathers.livejournal.com]

NS: how is that even fetishizing? I love learning braille (even though I seldom use it, so I often forget it, and then have to relearn it... over and over ^^;;) and my baby brother learned to fingerspell from some kid's video, but I'm not blind and he's not mute.

I'll have to agree with you, it's good that people learn different ways of communicating!

[(Anonymous)]

I thought most [sane] people didn't think being inspired to learn a language by a show/game/whatever was that? Admittedly, I've seen one or two who have claimed that, but as I recall they got shot down for it pretty fast. Still I'm sorry that you've seen it enough to upset you.

[Also, people are attacking ASL? O_o What for? That just seems...ridiculous.]