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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-03-07 07:03 pm

[ SECRET POST #1891 ]

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(Anonymous) 2012-03-08 02:33 am (UTC)(link)
So I guess people who USED to bully others are somehow exempt from sympathy? That they are unworthy of forgiveness, even if they have apologized and have worked to better themselves? That their pain is meaningless because they've made mistakes, regardless of whether or not they have made amends?

Also, what does he represent exactly? Cause to me he represents someone who was angry and bitter and lashed out at someone innocent, and did some utterly lousy things. And then turned it around, apologized, tried to make up for his horrible behaviour, and worked toward being a better person. Someone who tried to deal with the pain and issues that made him act badly and tried to move forward with his life.

I'd say he represents the ability to grow, change and mature. He represents acceptance, redemption and forgiveness. He represents the human struggle.

On My Way did NOT 'suddenly' make everything he had done 'all okay'. His actions from Born This Way onwards are what made it okay.

I hate how so many people simply forget everything he did, and everything that occurred between him and Kurt, from Furt to On My Way. There was TONS of characterisation between those episodes. Maybe you, and many others, should re-watch that.
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[personal profile] meadowphoenix 2012-03-08 03:14 am (UTC)(link)
I don't think people forget anon. I remember practically everything Karofsky's done and while I wouldn't wish him dead or suicidal, I still think he's a pretty selfish character (not that I think suicide is selfish).

You're ignoring the fact people can interpret characters differently. Frankly, while I did feel sorry for him that he was bullied by Finn (Vitamin D), the fact that he was so quick to get revenge, and then went on unprovoked against Kurt, made it worse, imo. He knew what bullying felt like, and still found that an appropriate way to express his turmoil. I've found all of his actions motivated from the beginning from fear for himself, and not sympathy for Kurt. And frankly, I find apologies without understanding pretty worthless myself. The only time I felt like he apologized and had a clue was in the hospital scene. And I don't think he worked to better himself. He was forced into the bullywhips, he went to another school, where he made it clear his only motivation was survival, so it's pretty doubtful he was defending anyone from the bullies at his school. It's far more likely he stood and watched, which is his prerogative, and he's by far not the only person guilty of that, but let's not pretend it made him a far better person. When he pursued Kurt, he did so without any consideration to what Kurt wanted. It was all about him and his validation. This is a character who start to finish has been motivated by fear, which I personally dislike in people when it goes to the extant that they're willing to hurt other people to protect themselves, and nothing he's done has suggested that he's tried to get over that.

I could accept that now he might be willing to change, but it's valid for me to say that he hadn't changed so much as went into hiding before. Yours isn't the only way to look at him.
Edited 2012-03-08 03:15 (UTC)