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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-03-08 06:53 pm

[ SECRET POST #1892 ]


⌈ Secret Post #1892 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[How I Met Your Mother]


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03.
[White Collar]


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04.
[Smash]


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05.
[How I Met Your Mother]


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06.
[Revenge]


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07.
[The Hunger Games]


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08.
[Yu-Gi-Oh]


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09.
[White Collar]


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10.
[Obscurus Lupa, Subspecies]


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11.
[Castleville]


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[Gintama]


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13.
[The Cat Returns]


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14.
[Mythbusters]


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[Invasion of the Body Snatchers]


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[Titanic]


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[All Dogs go to Heaven]


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18.
[Hatoful Boyfriend]


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19.
[Pokemon]


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[Phantom of the Opera]


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21.
[The Middle]


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22.
[life on mars]


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23.
[Scrubs]


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24.
[A Goofy Movie]


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25.
[Nerimon/Alex Day]


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26.
[Katie McGrath]


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27.
[Chuck]


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28.
[Top Chef Season 9]


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29.
[The Vampire Diaries]


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30.
[The Vampire Diaries]


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 045 secrets from Secret Submission Post #270.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.
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[personal profile] herongale 2012-03-09 07:18 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, I agree that it's actually totally shitty to question any individual woman on her choices.

For me, I think it's more that I think the emphasis in feminist activism should be fighting for equal access and equal rights more than anything else. Being able to make choices for yourself is important, and should be supported for all women, but when it comes towards what to fight for... well, I think that fighting for rights ends up being a lot more concrete, the outcomes a lot more easily measured.

Like, when it comes to abortion, the important thing to fight for is the right to be able to have abortions legally and safely. In terms of whether any given woman will choose to do so, that's still going to be up to her. It bothers me that women can still be pressured into having/not having abortions by family and friends, but I think the way to combat that is to ensure that women can have as much financial autonomy and privacy as possible so as to protect their right to make the decision without coercion.

So things like the right to eduction, the right to work and receive equal pay, the right to safety from harassment, the right to divorce, the right to contraception.... ensuring that all those rights and more are in place are what we can do to protect free choice. What we should NOT be doing is questioning women about the choices they do make.

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(Anonymous) 2012-03-09 04:33 pm (UTC)(link)
It depends on the choice. In the secret OP's case, if she wants to marry someone who is violent, controlling, and abusive just because he has money? You better believe I'm going to question her choice. Possibly her sanity, too.

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(Anonymous) 2012-03-09 05:38 pm (UTC)(link)
You should question her choices! No women's choices are above questioning; however, there's a difference between saying "This is a stupid choice for reasons x, y, and z" and saying "This is an unfeminist choice."

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[identity profile] megalomaniageek.livejournal.com 2012-03-09 08:38 pm (UTC)(link)
I completely agree with this. 100%.

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(Anonymous) 2012-03-09 09:29 pm (UTC)(link)
This is actually exactly what I was getting at in my comment, and you've summed up a lot of the problem I have with the whole "Feminism is not about choice!" issue. Feminism is not just about choice, but both the ability to make your own choices and the rights that ensure that women are not limited in their options when making said choices are important parts of the fight for equality.

Some of the people doing said criticism, unlike yourself, either a) take their argument to the extreme and essentially strip women of all agency by assuming that women (and people in general) can't put some level of thought into the choices they make without someone else telling them to do so and b) forget to go beyond their own rhetoric and actually target the issues in society that might limit the options that a woman has when making said choices. It's okay to say that feminism is not just about choice, but it doesn't give people license to be a jerk to other women who make decisions that don't fall in line with their own personal morals. Or to imply that women are incapable of making sound decisions without someone stepping in to point out how and why their choices are wrong. If I don't need a man to step in and guide my choices in the "right" direction, I don't need another woman to do so, either, no matter how good the intentions behind that might be.

(I'm preaching to the choir here, but it just really gets my goat when people use feminism (or social justice on a larger scale) as an excuse to be a jerk to others. Apparently I needed to vent...)