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fandomsecrets2012-03-08 06:53 pm
case) wrote in fandomsecrets2012-03-08 06:53 pm
[ SECRET POST #1892 ]
⌈ Secret Post #1892 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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[How I Met Your Mother]
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[White Collar]
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[Smash]
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[How I Met Your Mother]
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[Revenge]
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[The Hunger Games]
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[Yu-Gi-Oh]
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[White Collar]
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[Obscurus Lupa, Subspecies]
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[Castleville]
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[Gintama]
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[The Cat Returns]
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[Mythbusters]
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[Invasion of the Body Snatchers]
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[Titanic]
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[All Dogs go to Heaven]
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[Hatoful Boyfriend]
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[Pokemon]
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[Phantom of the Opera]
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[The Middle]
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[life on mars]
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[Scrubs]
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[A Goofy Movie]
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[Nerimon/Alex Day]
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[Katie McGrath]
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[Chuck]
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[Top Chef Season 9]
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[The Vampire Diaries]
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[The Vampire Diaries]
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Notes:
Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 045 secrets from Secret Submission Post #270.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.
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(Anonymous) 2012-03-09 05:57 pm (UTC)(link)If I have any hangups, even if they're caused by society's pressures, I have to deal with them as private psychological issues. And when I consider my family when I make decisions, I'm not thinking as a feminist, asking myself whether I'm capitulating to the priorities of a patriarchy that would have women be their families' beast of burden. I'm thinking as a daughter and a sister who loves her family very much
This is exactly it! Even if, for example, society is pressuring you to sacrifice for your family, choosing it in the society is not a horrible thing. The results aren't made in a vacuum so why should the decision be any different? (This doesn't mean that we shouldn't question society's norms, only that it's not unthinking to have them influence decisions.)
I guess what I'm trying to say is that if a woman chooses to be a nurse instead of a doctor because being a nurse is traditionally more feminine, persecuting her decision isn't going to help. Her values may be different than mine, but it was still her choice which makes it valid. Not every woman wants to "stick it to the man." Instead of lambasting her for her choice, we need to look at why society says women should be nurses instead of doctors and challenge that if need be.
Tl;DR: It's not about critiquing a woman's decisions or telling her she can't make her own decisions of society. It's carefully examining what might be influencing her and critiquing those things.
(frozen comment) no subject
This doesn't mean that we shouldn't question society's norms
Yeah, exactly. Hey, I hate sexism and how pervasive it is. But even if sexism has created an individual woman's comfort level and desires, those are still her comfort level and desires. If anyone's going to deconstruct those, she has to do.
Thanks for being awesome.
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(Anonymous) 2012-03-09 08:25 pm (UTC)(link)But even if sexism has created an individual woman's comfort level and desires, those are still her comfort level and desires.
Exactly!
We need to ask "Why are women doing x over y as a group?" not "Why is this woman doing x over y?"
(frozen comment) no subject
Yes. Focusing on and belittling the choices of individual women -- still, like in all history -- seems to me a strategy where feminism has turned back on itself so far it has begun to eat its own tail and become sexism. Like the theory that no woman can meaningfully consent to sex, because society has influenced her desires. Harhar.
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(Anonymous) 2012-03-09 08:39 pm (UTC)(link)Ditto! They're all well-formed characters. It's also invalidated so many of those "privilege" checkers for me. "Think of your favorite show. How many of the main characters are minorities?" "Umm... everyone but Jeff. Maybe Pierce if you don't count ageism."
Actually there's a very interesting theory I once heard of where the two extremes often end up promoting the same thing for different reasons.
For example, you might see where the right might attempt to censor people based on things that are offensive to religion, whereas the left might attempt to censor things that are offensive to minorities. Both end up with severe censorship, just for highly divergent reasons.