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[ SECRET POST #1899 ]

⌈ Secret Post #1899 ⌋

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[The Tempest]

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[SGA]

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[Life After People]

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[Uncharted]

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[Super]

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[Japanese voice actors]

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[Kamen Rider Den-O, Doctor Who ]

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[Silent Hill 4: The Room]

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[Tripod]

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[True Blood]

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[Cabin Pressure]

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[How I Met Your Mother]

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[Buffy the Vampire Slayer]

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[Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy]

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[Gossip Girl]

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[Sense and Sensibility]

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[FFX]

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[The Princess and the Goblin]

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[Code Geass]

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[Star Trek (2009)]

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[Tree of Life]

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1. you're not a misanthrope, you're just an idiot.

2. "human beings are terrible and we've done nothing to justify existing" - this kind of naive, passive, melodramatic whining irritates me so goddamn much. I'd say 'read a book' or 'learn some history' but that would require actually giving a shit about something, so you're out.

This. OP sounds like a cynical brat. After a while if you haven't grown out of this sort of thinking, it's very sad. I'm not saying humanity is flawless, I think that'd be quite a ridiculous statement. But people like OP painting all humans as terrible makes me just roll my eyes.

1. Whoa whoa hey now. It's entirely possible to be both!

Thank. You. I am so sick of pretentious little special snowflakes who think they're so fucking special because they're the only ones smart enough to see that people are the devil and uniformly deserve to die and waaah, waah, waaah. It gets old.

Because you must be a "special snowflake" (fuck, that's a terrible phrase) to think what OP does, right? It's not as though you can include yourself in the category of terrible people, or think that others have realized the same thing.

Now, I'm not saying that I agree with OP. I can get pretty cynical sometimes, but I do think that we, as humans, deserve to exist. But everything about your rebuttal, well... makes me a little bit more cynical.

Personally, I get a little frustrated when someone tells me (without even meeting me!) that I, and all my friends and family, and even my whole species, deserve to die and that maybe we didn't even deserve to exist in the first place.

Ugh. The chief has spoken.

+1, especially on 2. it's not cool or deep or mature to say stuff like that, it's just unbelievably immature and pretentious. Since when have, say, wolves done anything to justify existing?

Oh, and treating human beings like we've evil, world-destroying, worthless monsters is actually far, far more anthropocentric and egotistical than thinking we're pretty okay -- it implies we're ~special~ instead of just the distant descendants of apes.

I don't agree with the secret, but I think the reason OP sees us as ~special~ here is that we have, sadly, proven impressively capable of destroying things.

I think it's disingenuous to act like we're just like other creatures on our planet in that respect. Yes, a massive plague of $whatevers could have severe impacts, but as many? for as long?

I don't think that specific point (that we're especially destructive, as we currently live) is about "anthropocentrism." (That's a thing?)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropocentrism

Yes, a massive plague of $whatevers could have severe impacts, but as many? for as long?

...yes, if given the chance? Why not?

...I don't even know where I first heard the term. *sideeyes* where did I hear that term? I know it was something...

No yeah I get what you're saying, I just mean we're not fundamentally different from other animals or somehow separate from nature. We just happen to be capable of loads of destruction due to...I dunno I'm not a expert, but I guess the fact that we were able to develop over hundreds of thousands of years without being wiped out or subjected to enough competition or major setbacks to make it impossible for us to build up the knowledge and capabilities we have today.

Yeah, exactly. I'm not so much meaning I don't think humans have an overinflated sense of our own importance. I do think that. I just thought that some of these comments sound like "well, we're just another animal, so it's a mistake to see our destructiveness as a big deal," and that goes too far the other way from what the OP is asserting, IMO.

It's the opposable thumbs. I'm pretty sure dolphins would inflict great evil on our world and such if they could build things.

They'd do totally awesome things too, I'm sure, but yeah.

Yeah, that.

A+

Speaking as someone who studied history, I'm not sure how 'learn some history' is supposed to dissuade the OP, rather than confirm their opinion.

If you've studied history then did you fall asleep in class and somehow miss all the positive bits? Because it seems about even from my end.

This. History's ugly, if you don't sanitize it.

And I say this as someone who's far from hating all humans raaaaaaaaaaaaaaarg.

History's ugly, if you don't sanitize it.

that is just an utterly meaningless statement. what are you even trying to say?

Thomas Hobbes "life is nasty, brutish and short" quote is one of the favorite saying touted by history and international relations professors. Because history and the majority of modern intrastate/interstate issues are not pretty.

I'd actually be interested in hearing why you think otherwise?

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fierceawakening.livejournal.com - 2012-03-16 10:52 (UTC) - Expand

Not sure why the hostility there. But what I'm saying is that when you're a kid, history, especially your own country's history, is presented as a parade of heroes. Like take for example the emancipation of slaves in the US. History books (or at least, mine) said, essentially, that Lincoln freed the slaves, and said it in such a way that it sounded like he realized the horrible moral wrong of slavery and took such a stand to stop it that there was a war, which he won. The implication was pretty strongly "because the good guys win."

Then, when I got older and studied history from books that reported more of the facts and less of the kid-friendly... well. To stick with that example, what I've seen since pretty clearly shows that Lincoln wasn't a great hero moved by his conscience's awareness that all people should be free, but a President desperate to keep his country together. He was willing to do anything at all about the slaves -- free them, free some, even free none to keep the Union together.

History is ugly. Rarely are the motivations of the people even who did things we all understand as good, such as freeing slaves, noble and wonderful and heroic. Sometimes people are heroes, but it's rare. If you sanitize history -- write history books like the ones I read as a kid -- you get Brave Heroes Yay Our Country, etc. But if you tell the truth, it's a lot uglier.

Perhaps you don't agree with me -- I've no idea -- but I really think it was strange of you to call what I said "utterly meaningless" before asking for the explanation. I hope that, even if you read this comment and strongly disagree, you no longer see what I'm saying as "meaningless." "Wrong" is fine. "Meaningless" implies I have nothing to say.

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fierceawakening.livejournal.com - 2012-03-16 22:09 (UTC) - Expand

education -> a little perspective -> hopefully not making really stupid global pronouncements about things you obviously don't understand.

I think everything OP knows about "humanity", they learned from anime and/or the Matrix.

iawtc. Studying history-- especially social history-- is very excellent for a sense of perspective. You notice how every single decade for hundreds of years there's some Great Mind or another whining about the exact same things people discuss today. You also get a sense of how good we have it these days, generally speaking...there's a far larger percentage of people living decent (if not outright good) lives with food and medicine and amazingly helpful technology; but you also see how real people Back In The Day were-- not stupider (or smarter) or more moral (or less moral), just people and not so bad.

Yet most of the worlds' population still lives second and third world conditions. A quarter of the world's population is illiterate.
Western history =/= the world's history. Thank you.

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