[ SECRET POST #1900 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1900 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[The Rap Critic]


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[Hanna is Not a Boy's Name]


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[Ricky Gervais]


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[Upstairs, Downstairs]


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[Alex Trebek]


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[Quantic Dreams / Playstation 3 tech]


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[misfits]


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[Pretty in Pink]


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[Castleville]


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[Castleville]


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[Jak and Daxter ]


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[Team Fortress 2]


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[The Vampire Diaries]


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[House of Five Leaves/Sarai-ya Goyou]


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[New Mutants]


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31. [SPOILERS for Death Note]



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32. [SPOILERS for Supernatural]



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33. [SPOILERS for Skins Gen 3]



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34. [SPOILERS for Skins Season 2]



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35. [TRIGGER WARNING for abuse]



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36. [TRIGGER WARNING for rape]



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37. [TRIGGER WARNING for rape]

[House MD]


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38. [TRIGGER WARNING for rape]

[spartacus]


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39. [TRIGGER WARNING for abuse]

[Unrelated]


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Notes:

Anon meme tomorrow (Saturday), Y/N?

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 000 secrets from Secret Submission Post #271.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

It's a pretty silly mindset, honestly. Especially since pretty much everyone has at least one thing that they'll fan hardcore over, but it only seems to be acceptable if the thing you're fanning over is something deemed socially acceptable like professional sports.

[loracarol.livejournal.com]

+1

Yeah, I'd rather be a fan over "childish" things then American Football. American Football is just weird IMO... Plus it's hard to understand...

[(Anonymous)]

And I'd rather be a fan over "childish" things and be considered odd for it than Turkish dramas, European soccer and which doctor fucked which in Grey's Anatomy (those are the kinds of stuff adults like here) that I dislike, just to be considered "normal adult".

[loracarol.livejournal.com]

+1 Though I do love European soccer.

[cherrycoloured.livejournal.com]

I don't get football AT ALL. Both one of my best friends and my mom's boyfriend have attempted to explain the rules to me, but they are so convoluted and pointless, especially when it really just looks like a bunch of guys running around in circles tackling each other xD I'll stick to baseball, thanks...

[loracarol.livejournal.com]

I've tried to get into it, and people have tried to explain it to me, but... No. I just don't understand it at all. I think I'll stick to soccer/Football-everywhere-else-but-America. :D

[megalomaniageek.livejournal.com]

Seriously. I don't look down on sports (because that would be mean and hypocritical) but I do really hate the double standards. It's okay to dress or even paint yourself in team colors to show your fan support, but dressing up like your favorite character to show fan support is considered horribly immature and stupid. Likewise, a person having to get home by 6:30 pm sharp to catch "the game" is normal, but a person having to get home by 6:30 pm sharp to catch Doctor Who or the Simpsons is an idiot, because who cares about that stuff? Ditto for "enjoying" a whole Sunday watching football vs "wasting" a whole Sunday catching up on your favorite fictional show.
It is the same stuff at heart. Neither group of fans should feel so superior to the other.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, most sports fans that dress up like crazy/paint their bodies aren't looked upon as paragons of maturity either. Neither are the fantasy football guys (aka jock dnd), neither are the ones who have their lives revolve around their sport, etc. In terms of getting home early to watch the game - the game is not rebroadcast... Doctor Who, Simpsons, etc. are; also unless it's a big game it's still a little bit like "lol, whatever, dude." I'd argue that most of the acceptance comes from having friends over vs. being alone, and to a lesser extent a civic pride, however, both activities are looked upon as pretty silly and frivolous.

It's just really easy as a member of fandom to say "But they can watch sports!" without thinking that being an obsessive sports fan is still seen as being a social faux pas, a smaller one than fandom, yes, but still not desirable. Usually it's a false comparison: comparing a very fandom-oriented fan with a moderate to casual sports fan and complaining fandom is not accepted. It's the difference between wearing a Jersey or an anime shirt and painting your body blue and wearing a 30 pound costume.

[megalomaniageek.livejournal.com]

A. You're arguing semantics
B. You even admit that it's a "smaller social faux pas" which means it is more acceptable, which is a double standard

The guy who paints himself at a football game is seen as a little crazy or over the top, but not in the way that guys in full plate armor at Renaissance Faires are seen as crazy and pathetic. It's not just about maturity; one is seen as normal and "oh boys will be boys" and one is seen as weird and deviant. There's no reason to debate the exact semantics of particularly how ostracized each indulgence is, or whether one is somehow technically more acceptable because hey you can catch a re-run.
It is different. It is treated differently at a basic level. A guy who wears an anime T-shirt will almost certainly get more shit than a guy in a team jersey. A guy in full cosplay will get more shit than a guy in full body paint. Yes, the guy in the anime T-shirt might get less shit than the guy in full body paint, but you're the one who brought up false comparisons.

[(Anonymous)]

A. You're arguing a false comparison
B. It is a double standard, but not nearly the length and breadth of the one you're trying to paint.

The guy who paints himself at a football game is seen as a little crazy or over the top, but not in the way that guys in full plate armor at Renaissance Faires are seen as crazy and pathetic.

Umm... yes it is just as sad and pathetic. At least the armor can (and often is) respected for the craftsmanship. Anything that makes it more sad and pathetic is the amount of time that goes in it.

There's no reason to debate the exact semantics of particularly how ostracized each indulgence is, or whether one is somehow technically more acceptable because hey you can catch a re-run.

This is exactly what you were doing!

A guy who wears an anime T-shirt will almost certainly get more shit than a guy in a team jersey. A guy in full cosplay will get more shit than a guy in full body paint.

A guy in a jersey shirt will get just as much grief from non-fans (sometimes even fellow sports fans) as an anime shirt will get from non fans. Ditto with the body paint/cosplay, if nothing else, they'd be looked at with the same level of disdain.

the guy in the anime T-shirt might get less shit than the guy in full body paint

And this phrase right here summed up why I have an issue with your comparison. You can't even say that the guy with the body paint would be given more grief than the guy in the anime shirt. Are you really saying that if two people walked down the street, one in an anime shirt, one in body paint that people really might be pointing and laughing at the guy in the anime shirt?

To me, that says you have a victim complex.

[megalomaniageek.livejournal.com]

You keep bringing up false comparisons. Please, show them to me. In your first comment you said I was comparing hardcore anime fans to casual sports fans, when I compared body paint to cosplay and getting home to watch TV with getting home to watch TV. In the second comment I compared body paint to cosplay again, and sports jerseys to anime shirts. Where is the false comparison where I compare hardcore anime nerds to casual sports fans?
Oh, the one sentence where I used "might" but you misunderstood its implication from context. "This may be true" can mean "I admit this is true, but..." if it leads into a contrasting statement, which is what I did. I'm not saying "well I'm not sure an a guy in an anime shirt will get less shit than a full body paint guy." Context is important, and quoted alone the meaning changes entirely.

I get that your premise is "the double standard is really not as bad as you think it is." If you had just said that I would've agreed to disagree and we could part ways. But you brought up stuff like reruns and social activity and civic pride, which to me is semantics, because it doesn't reinforce your point that the double standard isn't as bad as I say; it's only a collection of partial excuses for the double standard. Lots of social activities are looked down on as pathetic, like D&D, and whether or not a show reruns doesn't seem to be the deciding factor on how socially acceptable it is.

I think the double standard is worse than you say. You think it's not as bad as I say. Whatever, I don't really have any data to back myself up beyond personal experience, but I get the impression that you don't either.

[(Anonymous)]

THIS IS THE FALSE COMPARISON: "It's okay to dress or even paint yourself in team colors to show your fan support, but dressing up like your favorite character to show fan support is considered horribly immature and stupid"

PAINTING YOURSELF IS NOT "OKAY." IT'S CONSIDERED IMMATURE AND STUPID TOO.

In addition YOU ARE COMPARING DRESSING IN TEAM COLORS TO COSPLAYING. "It's okay to dress or even paint yourself in team colors to show your fan support [focus on the dress, not the paint], but dressing up like your favorite character to show fan support is considered horribly immature and stupid"

But you brought up stuff like reruns and social activity and civic pride, which to me is semantics, because it doesn't reinforce your point that the double standard isn't as bad as I say; it's only a collection of partial excuses for the double standard.

I was explaining, not excusing. I really don't like the implication that if I had only said it better you would have backed down. My point was that by NON-FANS football stuff is just as unacceptable as anime stuff, only that a person will statistically find more football fans wandering around town than anime fans because most fans of say... the Steelers live in Pittsburg, and it's shown as "Support these people as football representations of Pittsburg," so it's easier to support them by default.

Lots of social activities are looked down on as pathetic, like D&D, and whether or not a show reruns doesn't seem to be the deciding factor on how socially acceptable it is.

My point was that something live is more of a social excuse. You can always excuse yourself for live theater, it's easier for live coverage than something that will be re-aired.

Oh, the one sentence where I used "might" but you misunderstood its implication from context. "This may be true" can mean "I admit this is true, but..." if it leads into a contrasting statement, which is what I did. I'm not saying "well I'm not sure an a guy in an anime shirt will get less shit than a full body paint guy." Context is important, and quoted alone the meaning changes entirely.

Or it can mean "I can't refute this, but I don't agree and don't think it's true."

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

I agree, and I think Anon is a bigger sports fan than they seem to want to admit. *G*

[(Anonymous)]

No, but fucking try again!

I only watch big games for my teams, I only watch the championships for anything else. I don't own a single hat or T-shirt, let alone a Jersey.

Also, even if I were a sports fan, would I have a better perspective than you and the previous commenter?

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

You'd also have more of a reason to defend sports and their practices, wouldn't you?

[(Anonymous)]

Oh! I see! If I disagree with you it's because you're right and I'm defensive? Great logic there!

Also you missed the point where I'm not a sports fan.

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

Most people are defensive when defending their opinion. That's kind of the definition of defend. Both of us are. And yes, I think I'm right; that's the point of opinion. So you've said nothing incorrect here. :-)

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

Someone who dresses up like their favorite Star Trek character to go to a fannish convention on a weekend - society brands with a big flashing neon "WEIRDO" sign. Hell, they get thought of that way if they just go to the convention in regular clothes and the "normals" find out about it. You should see the expressions of amusement on the faces of my co-workers the, like, three times I've ever mentioned having gone to one of these conventions for fun in the past, in the five YEARS I've been there.

Someone who wears the jersey of their favorite football team to work every Friday and spends half their workday talking about the team's chances that weekend - society considers this normal behavior. (In fact, in the part of the country I used to live in, you were weird if you DIDN'T do this on Fridays in the fall.)

tl; dr: Very few people in real life bat an eye if you go around in a Peyton Manning jersey or a Dale Jr. t-shirt, but if you walked around in a Trek command-gold shirt? It's not a direct fair comparison and you can't make it so no matter how much you write it.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, it's the convention that's weird, not the shirt. >.>

Someone who wears the jersey of their favorite football team to work every Friday and spends half their workday talking about the team's chances that weekend - society considers this normal behavior.

I'm betting most are more annoyed than you think.

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

Not when "most" are the ones wearing it. :-P

[(Anonymous)]

So one guy wears it every Friday and now it's most people wear them every Friday?

Firstly, I doubt that it is most people who wear them every Friday, secondly, even if it is most people in your office who wear them every Friday that will also vary by industry and even by department.

[box-life.livejournal.com]

This exactly.