[ SECRET POST #1901 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1901 ⌋


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Comments

[fae-boleyn.livejournal.com]

This is pretty much the vibe I was getting from the piece. He might not have phrased things in the best way, assuming he was even quoted properly judging by the state of the writing in the piece, but the positive intent was there. But it seems like he treated the interview like a friendly conversation, where you say things in an unrehearsed way and sometimes they come out sounding wrong, but it's well-meant stuff. If people quit taking the quotes out of context, that would help.

And dear God, that article and how it was written... Excuse me while I go cry, my journalism major's heart is breaking. Do these people not have copy editors?!?!

[jak-frostty.livejournal.com]

Yeah. It definitely has a conversation feel to it and I kept getting the impression of dropped words or phrases. Like the reporter was using a really bad voice recorder that degenerated into static all the time.

[(Anonymous)]

Out of curiosity, what did you make of this quote? "We've reached a state now where it's, 'You shouldn't notice. Why are you noticing he's got a bomb and has a beard and is Muslim and wants to kill your family?"

Several people have said they found it offensive, but I thought his overall point there was positive, if very badly explained.

[jak-frostty.livejournal.com]

That is actually one that I'm not sure I can interpret at all, or at least not by itself ('very badly explained' being an understatement). I honestly think there is either missing words or at least missing punctuation.

"Racism is one thing ? and I don't agree with that in any form ? but noticing that there are differences is normal and fine and to be encouraged.

"We've reached a state now where it's, 'You shouldn't notice. Why are you noticing he's got a bomb and has a beard and is Muslim and wants to kill your family?"


Ok. So, first sentence: Racism? Bad. Acknowledging differences in cultural practices and mores? Not just good, but essential.

Second: Society is at the overreacting point where nothing is PC enough to mention so we have to mentally erase everything cultural we notice in order to not offend anyone but just because nothing is spoken outwardly, doesn't mean the prejudice isn't still present internally. (i.e. He's just a person, not a Muslim, because obviously Muslims are terrorists.)

Edited for formatting. Sorry.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Cheers. :)

This is what I thought too, but I find it so difficult explaining it to people in an eloquent way, as you have here. No one seems to want to listen to logic, so they respond with "omg embarassing" "JUST ACCEPT HE'S A DISGUSTING RACIST!"

And yeah, I definitely feel like parts have been taken out or paraphrased. The author even mentioned how long his answers were.

[fierceawakening.livejournal.com]

"Racism? Bad. Acknowledging differences in cultural practices and mores? Not just good, but essential."

Yeah. I'm surprised people were bugged by that bit, because most of the time I hear "'Colorblindness' is a dangerous lie." But apparently if a white person says he's not colorblind, that doesn't fly either? IDEK.

The "'You shouldn't notice. Why are you noticing he's got a bomb and has a beard and is Muslim and wants to kill your family?"" one bugs me though. A lot.

My guess is it's supposed to be saying something like "We should notice that there's extremism in the Muslim world."

Which could be just that he's saying that we should study extremism and think about how it manifests in certain cultures. Which I think is... well, maybe fine if it's a recognition of cultural differences, but....

...it could be implying that he thinks Muslims are more likely to be extremists, or more violent, and I think that's getting onto shaky ground. Because Islamophobia is about the erroneous idea that "Our religions are peaceable; theirs tell you to strap bombs to yourself." And that might be what he's expressing.

[(Anonymous)]

I thought he was maybe saying that it gets silly when you're doing something like talking about an act of terrorism done by a Muslim extremist while pretending you don't notice they're Muslim--just as you wouldn't talk about an act of terrorism by a Christian extremist while feeling you can't mention they're Christian.

[jak-frostty.livejournal.com]

That's an interesting thought.

[(Anonymous)]

Acknowledging differences in cultural practices and mores? Not just good, but essential.

Exactly. We must not only acknowledge differences but respect them. If not, the world would be a horrid homogeneous thing.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I often feel lenient towards what people say in interviews that weren't rehearsed. I mean, who never says something stupid, or says something in the wrong way and realizes later how they should have said it, or didn't realize how something sounded in print if you take away the tone in which it was said, or... etc etc. Sure, they can still be stupid or hurtful views, but there's a bit of room to give people the benefit of the doubt.

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

LOL, actually, they might not. Or perhaps the editors have so much to do they didn't give this one a very good read-through. The editorial side of journalism has been suffering for a while now, namely because publications are owned by non-journalists who consider those who aren't out selling the product for $$ to be largely artsy-fartsy and unnecessary. I feel pretty fortunate that my newspaper seems to be owned by non-journalists who see the value in editorial, but that isn't the case everywhere I've worked or for which I've written.

[(Anonymous)]

The editorial side of journalism has been suffering for a while now, namely because publications are owned by non-journalists who consider those who aren't out selling the product for $$ to be largely artsy-fartsy and unnecessary.

That, and newspapers aren't as profitable as they once were, and for some reason copyeditors hit the chopping to save costs for the survival of the overall paper. Newspapers do need $$ to do anything.

[(Anonymous)]

*chopping block

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

Newspapers also need a "news" reputation to continue to survive so that readers will pick it up, so those ads can be seen. News and advertising need to be treated as equally valuable contributors to the survival of a publication, rather than one being seen and treated as the dirty trash leeching cousin of the moneymaker.

[(Anonymous)]

And dear God, that article and how it was written. - In the UK, the paper is known as The Daily Fail. Widely acknowledged as the pinnacle of bad reporting, bad ethics and bad writing, all wrapped up in prejudice and inflammatory language. They have their own agenda, and it's not a pleasant one.

[fae-boleyn.livejournal.com]

Ah. I've heard of that paper over here in the States, but basically all I knew was the name. I wonder how they stay in business if they're that bad. :/ I guess they must stay just on the right of the line legally so they don't get shut down. Kind of like a couple of our tabloids too.