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fandomsecrets2012-03-17 03:12 pm
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(Anonymous) 2012-03-18 02:22 am (UTC)(link)It may be admirable, but at the same time, he suffers no consequences from anything that happens because of it. It's not his life, livelihood, or anything else that would be under fire as a result of anything that happened. So it would have, basically, been like a white person in the 1960's [at least in the US] telling blacks 'You should totally do your movement this way, and screw the consequences!' from the sidelines. Would it be admirable that they believed in civil rights? Sure. But that doesn't mean that they're in any position to be telling anyone how it should be handled - or that they should ignore what's probably going to come from it, seeing as they wouldn't be effected either way.
Sorry, but that metaphor doesn't work. Coming out isn't 'art'. It's something that is highly personal, and no one should be able to tell someone 'You should come out, because [I as a straight person] say no one cares!" It doesn't work like that. How would he know who would, or wouldn't care? He's not in a position where he'd have to deal with homophobic reactions. This is a scenario where the 'outside perspective' ends up missing a lot of information.
Note: I'm not saying he's homophobic - but his comments were pretty badly worded and ignorant.
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The whole article was handled badly, both sides of it. I'm not fighting that, and I realize no one else seems to be either.
True, one person isn't going to do much good, but one person stands up and it's a little bit easier for the next person and the next person...
As for my metaphors, maybe if I draw them out as diagrams, there won't be as much confusion next time. Obviously my wording is flawed.
Each 'experiment' equates to a person with a background different from mine (colored, male, bi or white, female, trans etc.). If my views on any particular subject are also shared by a wide variety of people and backgrounds then I will feel reasonable secure in my stance. I realize it is speculation but as humans, I thought some others might have similar feelings.
With regard to art, I'm not talking college level general requirements class. I mean this-is-my-lifeblood-on-a-canvas-there-is-nothing-else-I-can-do-with-my-life art. That is highly emotional and highly personal. No it doesn't have the same threat of physical consequences (unless you count the literal starving part) but it does have a lot of similar degradations. And if you say art is a choice, I can find you a lot of people who will say otherwise. But really, not the point.
I think my whole point in this is just to point out that it's really counter productive to dismiss someone's ideas just because they don't know exactly where you are coming from. Take their word as law? Hell no. But take their ideas, internalize them, see if any bits of theirs fit in with bits of yours.
But just as it would be in extremely bad form for him to get angry if you offered up a different viewpoint based on your own experiences with life, I find it equally in bad form for the opposite.
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(Anonymous) 2012-03-18 10:32 am (UTC)(link)Just because a view is widely held, doesn't mean that it is right or humane. For example, in the ancient world, slavery was viewed as acceptable, and even preferred means of labor in most, if not all societies. Does that make slavery any more humane? No. The same could be said for several views that are still held today by large groups of people...so using 'SO MANY PEOPLE AGREE WITH ME!' when it comes to societal views doesn't automatically justify that view as 'right' or 'humane'.
As for the art metaphor - like another anon said. No. Just no. Art doesn't end with threats of rape or violence, or someone actually carrying those threats through. It rarely leads to parents disowning their children, and, as far as I know, there are few, if any countries, that prohibit someone from marrying because of their art. Society doesn't condemn you, or make you feel 'wrong' or as if you need to be 'fixed' because you produce art.
So that metaphor in, and of itself, is insulting.
The issue with what he said is that, at the end of the day, he's talking about a situation he doesn't seem to understand - and is telling people that they should come out based on those false notions. And, doing so in manner that rubs people very much the wrong way - and for reasons that I, at least, can't disagree with.
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(Anonymous) 2012-03-18 02:02 pm (UTC)(link)no subject
(Anonymous) 2012-03-18 09:55 pm (UTC)(link)no subject
Though, to be fair, the pic is kinda funny.
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(Anonymous) 2012-03-19 02:54 am (UTC)(link)no subject
The other two posts were not ignored, but they didn't mention anything that hadn't already been covered in earlier posts. Since my metaphor was in question, I explained my point plainly in the last two paragraphs of the previous post. If someone had asked me a pointed question or to explain my reasoning better, I would have obliged.
I've apologized to the original anon for upsetting them. That was not my intent. But I will not apologize for the metaphors since by definition metaphors are imperfect comparisons used to prove a point. And I had not only noticed the imperfection but mentioned it when I first posted it.