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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-03-23 07:01 pm

[ SECRET POST #1907 ]


⌈ Secret Post #1907 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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18. [TRIGGER WARNING for sexual abuse]



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(Anonymous) 2012-03-24 06:42 am (UTC)(link)
Just because you have a list of things which are sufficient, but not necessary for various states/acts doesn't mean that the specific thing I mentioned must be sufficient.

Yes, but unfortunately for you you're still wrong.

Chocolate chips are not necessary for cookies, so I don't see why it should automatically be sufficient for cookies.

Oh, *tsk* You changed the paradigm dramatically and that won't work. We're talking action and consequence, not ingredient and construct. Try again! I'm sure you can come up with a better example this time!

I don't think a specific sex act should be declared as the be all end all of whether or not your a virgin. This is because the concept of virginity is so mutable.

Fine you want it fucking specific, here you go!

If women sharing a double dildo is not necessary for sex, I don't see why women sharing a double dildo should be automatically sufficient for sex. I think some lesbians would like to disagree with you. :)

I don't think a specific sex act should be declared as the be all end all of whether or not your a virgin. This is because the concept of virginity is so mutable.

Penis in vagina sex is sex enough to lose your virginity by any fucking definition (pun a happy accident) you care to find, m'dear.

[identity profile] mika-kun.livejournal.com 2012-03-24 06:51 am (UTC)(link)
You are ignoring the automatically in that sentence.

Which would mean that it can be sufficient if the specific person involved believes it to be sufficient, but doesn't have to be sufficient if they believe it isn't.

And I know that any definition I look up is going to consider penis in vagina sufficient. What I said in the first comment you replied to was "I don't see why it should". Which is me expressing my dissatisfaction with this, not me saying that other people don't consider it sufficient.

(Anonymous) 2012-03-24 07:11 am (UTC)(link)
You are ignoring the automatically in that sentence.

And you are ignoring the fact that you couldn't come up with a counter example using action and consequence.

And I know that any definition I look up is going to consider penis in vagina sufficient.

So you admit how ridiculous it was?

What I said in the first comment you replied to was "I don't see why it should". Which is me expressing my dissatisfaction with this, not me saying that other people don't consider it sufficient.

Backpedal harder! You spent two comments trying to defend your flawed logic in the face of all reason. You don't get to call it opinion now. Besides opinions can be provably wrong (and by coincidence yours is!)

However, I'll take this comment to mean that I was right and your logic was horrible to the point where you can no longer defend it, but your own hubris is preventing you from realizing your mistake. So hooray for me! I won the internet fight!

[identity profile] mika-kun.livejournal.com 2012-03-24 07:28 am (UTC)(link)
You should probably take it to mean that it's 3:20am where I am, so yeah, I am having a hard time coming up with counter examples, but that's hardly conclusive.

Also, since you can, in fact, go back and look at the first comment I made in this thread, it always was opinion. Just because you say I'm backpedaling doesn't make it true.

I started debating the examples you came up with because I didn't think using death as an example was fair given it's *comparatively* strict definition. (You're right, it's not quite a dead/not dead dichotomy, but it's still more strict.)

My next argument was admittedly weak.

(Anonymous) 2012-03-24 07:45 am (UTC)(link)
It's late here too sweetcheeks, and I'm tired of dealing people who have nothing but excuses, so I'm going to bed.

Give me something better in the morning!

(Anonymous) 2012-03-24 01:48 pm (UTC)(link)
You want examples of causes which are neither necessary or sufficient? In pool, pocketing the eight is neither necessary nor automatically sufficient for a foul.

(Anonymous) 2012-03-24 07:32 pm (UTC)(link)
That's actually a pretty good example, of course it's more conditional and depends on other factors, but I'll give it you as a good example.