[ SECRET POST #187 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #187 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 050 secrets from Secret Submission Post #027.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 ] broken links, 0 not!secrets, [ 1 ] not!fandom, [ 1 ] personal attack.
Next Secret Post: Tomorrow, Thursday, July 9th, 2007.
Current Secret Submission Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[crackjaw.livejournal.com]

Except I don't really see how making icons is any different from drawing fanart. You're taking someone else's subject and making something different out of it.

Also, and this is my confusion at the fanartist's perspective, but so someone made icons out of your fanart. So what? There's no harm done as long as they don't claim it as their own.

And as for the garbage comment, well, it's true that not everyone is capable of making good icons, but that's true of everything. There are some very good fanart icons also, and they get the same treatment. I just don't see how that's relevant.

[(Anonymous)]

The point is not that it's not harming the fanartists in any way you see.

The point is that the fanartists say "DON'T DO THIS. Please. We give you art, and in return, you use our art only in the ways we say."

And then the iconmakers thumb their noses at the fanartists. And the fanartists get upset that they are giving people art, and the few terms they set out to be repaid with don't get obeyed.

And they close their sites.

It's not hard to just not icon fanart. It won't make you any less popular. And if it makes one fanartist NOT get frustrated, NOT close their site out of anger... then isn't that worth it?

[(Anonymous)]

They aren't giving people art. :/ The iconmakers don't even claim the art is theirs, they're just putting some lighting effects on it and cropping it down to use on LJ or MSN. Forgive me, but I don't see how that's a sin. It's a fucking compliment if anything. (Free publicity! What more could you ask for? People who use your art in icons are ADVERTISING. I've found so many great artists through icons, really. From people who credited right off the bat and by asking the person who made them.)

I see more problems with the fanartists who take iconing too seriously than the iconmakers, to be honest.

[(Anonymous)]

(Free publicity! What more could you ask for? People who use your art in icons are ADVERTISING. I've found so many great artists through icons, really. From people who credited right off the bat and by asking the person who made them.)

and from the people who don't? what about them? free advertising? except, wait, the icon artist didn't credit them.

whatever

[crackjaw.livejournal.com]

And I can see that and I respect that, yes. My confusion is directed both at the iconmakers and at the fanartists: why does it matter so much if someone makes icons of your art? Why should it matter if someone takes your drawing, puts some filters on it, and crops it, as long as they give credit where credit is due? Why is it so important that it warrants closing the site?

[ripedecay.livejournal.com]

I suppose we have different views and therefore different opinions? There is harm (in my opinion and as an artist as well). If I ever made fanart for the public, the polite thing to do is to just ask for permission. It would annoy me greatly that something I worked hard on was taken without permission. Yes, I'm taking a subject that isn't mine, but I did that piece by hand or tablet pen and from scratch. I gave the original own credit, but the art and even style is mine. Iconmmaker do not completely do everything with icons. Don't get me wrong, they do a lot and I am often amazed, but they did not recreate anything.

I know iconmakers also don't enjoy having their icons taken. They want credit. So do fanartists but artists put so much more effort into their work. Things usually start from bigger canvases and they sometimes have hours put into them to make them incredibly. To just ask for permission is easy - they all have e-mail addresses. Russian, Japanese, French, American, British - I don't care. It's always possible to contact them, even show them your work to convince them.

The garbage icons is relevant. I've seen beautiful fanart turned into something ugly and that is offensive to the artist.

And it's about money again. Fanartist doesn't make any, but they are sharing with the public, only asking you don't steal or corrupt their work in any way without permission. DJ artists and the mangaka? They make money and you buy it. They can't close up shop like a fanartist. If a fanartist does, it's a huge loss because of a few people's lack of manners and basic sense. We can ask a writer to translate or use bits of their works in things, so why not an artist?

But I'm just a believer in manners. Not everyone gives so much of a damn, I know. It's a shame, but what can you do? Try to explain until you're exhausted? It comes down to maturity and respect and, again, I know. It's the internet.