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fandomsecrets2012-04-13 06:43 pm
case) wrote in fandomsecrets2012-04-13 06:43 pm
[ SECRET POST #1928 ]
⌈ Secret Post #1928 ⌋
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Firstly, this is what GRRM has to say about the Catelyn situation (bold is what a fan wrote to GRRM and itallics is GRRM's response).
Thus, the question I have is if Catelyn went out of her way to mistreat Jon in the past -- and which form this might have taken -- or if she rather tried to avoid and ignore him?
"Mistreatment" is a loaded word. Did Catelyn beat Jon bloody? No. Did she distance herself from him? Yes. Did she verbally abuse and attack him? No. (The instance in Bran's bedroom was obviously a very special case). But I am sure she was very protective of the rights of her own children, and in that sense always drew the line sharply between bastard and trueborn where issues like seating on the high table for the king's visit were at issue.
And Jon surely knew that she would have preferred to have him elsewhere.
Catelyn didn't have any social obligation to Jon. Bastards were not raised among the trueborn children. It's not Jon's existence that bother's Catelyn, but rather that he is being raised at Winterfell which is extremely disrespectful to her and that is all on Ned. (I've written more about that here (http://fauxkaren.livejournal.com/215254.html#cutid2) if anyone cares.)
The other major criticism lobbed at Catelyn is the capture of Tyrion. If you blame that one action for starting the war then I just don't know what to do with you. Tywin was looking for a fight. His reaction to the capture of Tyrion was completely over the top, unpredictable and outside of the law (and he knew it which is why he sent Gregor under no banners when they terrorized the riverlands). Cat mistakenly put her trust in a man whom she believed loved her like a sister. She didn't WANT to capture Tyrion, but under what little information she had, she had reason to suspect that he was somehow involved. Once Tyrion spotted her, she had to act fast if she wanted to get to the bottom of what happened. If she let him go back to King's Landing, he would know that she was not in Winterfell and it would cast Ned under suspicion and put his life in danger in addition to letting Tyrion slip out of her grasp to be protected by the king. Capturing Tyrion made him her hostage and acted as insurance to protect the lives of Ned and her daughters. (I wrote more about THAT over here (http://fauxkaren.livejournal.com/216219.html#cutid2).)
There are other things that people complain about, but I don't really have the time to get into all of those. But really Catelyn is a pretty great anti-war narrative. She's one of the only people in the series who sees the futility of war and the human cost of it. War to her isn't glorious. She's lived through a war and she knows the cost. She also is one of the few people who doesn't thirst for power. She just wants her family to be safe. She'd rather have Robb bend the knee if it meant her girls would be safe. And I love that about her. She's also insightful and wise, yet no one listens to and it ends badly for them.
She's an incredibly well-drawn and a very human character and I love her to pieces and it kind of makes me a bit sad that so many people dislike her.
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But seriously the hate she gets is irrational. It annoys me, ESPECIALLY when the reason is she "she started the war". When people say that, I automatically assume they skimmed the book or something, because no way in hell can anyone who actually really read as in read as in read the text come to that conclusion.
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(Anonymous) 2012-04-14 05:59 pm (UTC)(link)no subject
(Anonymous) 2012-04-16 11:36 am (UTC)(link)Look, you've made a convert. ;)