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my dad was a Marine (retired) and he's neither racist nor dumb, so screw you. And don't try and pull the "well I said MOST so he's the exception" line because that shit don't fly.

Do you actually understand what "most" means? Hint: it doesn't mean "all".

Most Marines I've met are just guys. Up and down the scale of intelligence and morals, but fiercely loyal to one another, regardless of prejudices. To sit there and go "Well, most are idiots" is just you being an asshole. What's wrong, didn't make the cut?

I just generally don't approve of the military hype.

That's nice. Still doesn't give you an excuse to tar all military men and women with the same brush. Members of the military are not a bunch of dumb grunts. They're people, in many different occupations. I don't care how you feel about the military or why, it's none of my business. But don't dismiss them as being one and the same. The uniform may be the same, but the head under the cover isn't.

Edited 2012-04-29 01:47 (UTC)

It was my understanding from comments by my brother's drill sergeant that the point was to make everyone the same.

No, the point is to instill the ties of loyalty and trust. The members of your branch are your brothers and sisters, and you have to trust them with your life, the same way they trust you to have their back. The point is to recognize that the day you raise your right hand and swear the oath, you are no longer an individual, and you are no longer your own. You belong to your branch, and every action you commit, every word you say, is your branch. You must never make your brothers and sisters look bad, and you must never go back on your oath. You cannot falter, you cannot fail, because if you do, you are not just failing yourself, you are failing the people that depend on you.

The point is that you belong to something bigger than yourself now. You belong to the uniform, to your branch, to the words you swore to uphold.

Yeah, there's something very wrong about the mindset that you're presenting here.

To you. It's how I was raised, and what I know. To me, the military is home, family, safety. The ties it creates are everything to me. As long as I can remember, I wanted to be in the military. I don't see anything wrong with wanting to be a part of something bigger than yourself.

Depends if the thing that is bigger than yourself is full of shit.

spoken like a true civilian

So the idea of belonging to a group and caring about it seriously, and behaving in such a way as to uphold the standards which it asks you to uphold, is "very wrong" now. Okey dokey then.

I was only following orders.

Okey dokey then.

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(Anonymous) - 2012-04-29 14:56 (UTC) - Expand

...isn't that also the mindset of dozens of fictional heroes and heroines, also?

Members of the military are not a bunch of dumb grunts.

Okay, there is a HUGE DIFFERENCE between Marines and Army and other branches of the military. They all have their own culture, attract different sorts of people, and so forth. I think you are overreacting. I have family members who were in the military. My father-in-law served three tours of duty in Vietnam. He volunteered to go. Okay. Nobody said that all military men and women were "dumb grunts". The Marines, however, are quite well known for attracting the "dumb grunt" type. Doesn't mean every Marine is a dumb grunt, but there are a lot of dumb fucking people in the Marines.

It's still a stereotype - and those are generally *bad* things to fall back on. As far as it goes, the military as a *whole* has a reputation for attracting 'dumb fucking people' - and I say this as someone who was raised in a Navy family, who had multiple teachers who served in 'Nam. Picking on just one branch is just as silly as picking on the military as a whole.

the military as a *whole* has a reputation for attracting 'dumb fucking people

Not really, everyone I know who joined the Air Force or Navy was a nerd
The military as whole has a reputation for attracting BROKE fucking people. So more uneducated people go into the military, yeah. But the Marines is where all the jock frat type dudes end up on average.

Picking on just one branch is just as silly as picking on the military as a whole.

LOL why? People in the different branches pick on each other all the time. And furthermore, everyone is missing the point of the show and Evan Wright's book -- the fact that the Marines actually does foster good qualities (loyalty, bravery, etc) but at the same time, many Marines are racist, homophobic, etc. He wasn't trying to do anything except portray them as they actually are.

Edited 2012-04-29 20:04 (UTC)

what "hype," getting shipping out into a desert thousands of miles from anything you've ever known to get shot at from all directions from people who literally would die trying? because there's fuck-all hype in being overseas, trust me. if by "hype" you mean people respecting their military, then just fuck you.

The idea that soldiers are some higher class that can do no wrong and we should fall all over ourselves to worship them for a job they signed up to do. It bothers me that the first words out of anyone's mouth as soon as an active or ex-military type is within earshot are "Thank you". For... doing the job that you signed up to do. We don't thank baristas or accountants or construction workers out on the street as soon as we hear of their profession.

Probably because the baristas etc. aren't as likely to be killed, or physically or psychologically injured.

This. Don't get me wrong, I have respect for servicemen, but that doesn't change the fact that many Marines are too undisciplined (they have the best fire discipline, but outside of combat, little discipline, they basically act like frat boys). That was the only point I was trying to make, was that Generation Kill is accurate in the way it portrays the Marines (which is understandable because the reporter was embedded with a real unit)

Up and down the scale of intelligence and morals

And you think that's okay?
These are guys we send in first before the regular troops, they are the first soldiers that civilians in foreign countries come in contact with. I'd say that's a serious problem. I think that was part of what Generation Kill (book and miniseries) was about

That's great. My cousin was a Marine (honorably discharged for medical reasons). He's pretty much the typical "jarhead" stereotype. Of course I know he's not every Marine (Generation Kill does a good job of making this point because some of the characters in it are decent people) but c'mon... A LOT OF MARINES are like that, don't try to pretend it isn't true

Somehow I knew someone was going to go apeshit over that comment. LOL.

Edited 2012-04-29 09:13 (UTC)

Actually, yes that "shit" means exactly what it says and you are stupid for flying off the handle because the exception you cite allegedly exists. However, If you take after your dad, I beg to differ that he isn't dumb, because you sure are.

Well, someone's bitchy today.

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