[ SECRET POST #1947 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1947 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

If you don't like Bonnie, that's fine but the reason Bonnie fans are upset is that she's the ONLY non-white main character and the show NEVER uses her. She gets zero character development and is only allowed to appear on-screen to do magic or be a friend/girlfriend/enemy for one of the other main characters. This is on the WRITERS, though. Most Bonnie fans I know think the WRITERS are racist/sexist for not developing/caring about Bonnie, not other fans for disliking her.

[imnotasquirrel.livejournal.com]

Yep, this.

Although I do rme when fans say that they don't like Bonnie because she's so ~boring. Like you say, that's on the writers so why not direct most of the ire at them? I'm frustrated with Bonnie as a character but said frustration is mostly directed towards the writers. Bonnie's only ever trotted out whenever the show needs some witchy deus ex machina solution; she pretty much only exists as an extension of the white characters. It blows, and Julie Plec sucks.

Of course it's a different story if you think she just sucks as an actress! But even then I don't think she's really been given much to DO in terms of showing off her acting range. The biggest opportunity she got was when Bonnie's grandmother died, and I thought Kat did well with that one scene. But of course then TPTB just shipped her off to god knows where because heaven forbid they follow through.

[(Anonymous)]

same thing has happened to matt. and even to some extent, jeremy. and matt is just as much friends with elena as bonnie, hell, he used to date her. he doesn't even get to be a witch. jeremy is elena's effin brother and yet he's only brought on when it fits with the storyline around the main characters. that's what happens with secondary characters. you don't see matt fans and jeremy fans crying about how the show doesn't care about white males...

[(Anonymous)]

I disagree. I think both Matt and Jeremy have gotten a decent amount of screen-time and development over the past three seasons.

This season specifically, they both had the ghost storyline in those early episodes that let Zach and Steven do some excellent work as they said goodbye to Vicki and Anna, respectively. This is actually the first season where I think the writers made good use of Matt as the 'token' human. He got to kill an Original (!) and have something going on with Rebekah as well as strengthening his friendship with Elena. Yes, Jeremy's been short-changed since the ghost storyline but he had lots to do in the second season, whereas Bonnie really hasn't had a decent storyline since her Grams died in season 1.

Plus, Matt and Jeremy have shown a lot of character growth over the seasons, while people complain Bonnie's only characteristic is her 'bitterness' and Julie Plec can't think of anything to say about Bonnie beyond she's 'strong and beautiful'. That applies to all female characters on this show and we knew that 5 minutes into the pilot so what does that say about Bonnie's development over the years?

[(Anonymous)]

you don't see matt fans and jeremy fans crying about how the show doesn't care about white males...

because if anyone did that, fans would point out the many other white men on this show the writers focus on. like Damon and Stefan and Klaus and Tyler and Alaric, all of whom are considered major characters and get their own storylines. Bonnie is the only non-white major character so when she gets very little development and no storyline to herself, it stands out and looks kind of fishy.

[(Anonymous)]

I get that, but since I don't think she's EVER been given good character dev, I just can't get behind her. Her being a woman or POC doesn't change that, unfortunately. It's upsetting that nobody on the writing staff cares about her, but she's never appealed to me enough for me to actually get mad at the writers for not developing her...because she's never been developed. It's a bit of a perpetuating circle.

[(Anonymous)]

I feel like she was pretty well-written in season 1? I loved the discovery of her magic and the dangers it presented. I loved the friendship she began to build with Stefan and how that was affected when her Grams died doing the tomb spell. I loved how she gained this hard edge and these anti-vampire feelings after her Grams was killed and that eventually drove her to lying about de-spelling the device because she was afraid of what would happen if the vampires ever got out of control and the device was the only way to deal with them. I loved that she then saw the faulty logic there and worked to help save Stefan and Damon and basically came away with the stance that she would leave Damon be as long as he didn't cross the line and hurt someone. I thought all of that was actually pretty good character development, but maybe you disagree.

Then in season 2, that all sort of fell to the way-side because Damon and Stefan and Katherine had to be kept around regardless of their actions and Bonnie's sole focus became protecting Elena. All of the development she may have gotten started happening off-screen in season 2 and that trend has continued in season 3 to a pretty staggering degree. We also don't seem to be getting very much in the way of Bonnie's POV, which I do think we got to a certain extent in season 1/early season 2.

[(Anonymous)]

S1 was okay...admittedly, it's been a while since I watched it. I guess I didn't latch onto what she got in S1 enough to make me like her through the pretty shitty stuff that followed? IIRC I liked her after watching S1, but I wasn't really in love, and when all the shiny vampire things came along in S2/3, I guess that's when I started to dislike her.

So I guess for me, there wasn't enough to latch onto, which is weird as fuck, because I usually latch onto minor characters and the ones who have to deal with the most potential internal conflict.

IDK. This show.

[(Anonymous)]

What? Wasn't this based off a book? In other words: aren't the characters already fleshed out? So how can people cry "racism!" when she's playing a character that already exists?

[ncc-gqmf.livejournal.com]

The series has extremely little to do with the books at this point, I'm pretty sure. IIRC, Elena is dead by this point in the books.

[natural-blue-26.livejournal.com]

Didn't that happen in season two? I'm really behind/haven't watched in ages but that sounds familiar.

[ncc-gqmf.livejournal.com]

No, like, dead dead, not "dead for a second." She gets turned into a vampire in the books.