[ SECRET POST #1950 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1950 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Look, if you can find a friend or another writer to give you concrit, and the stuff they tell you is useful then I think that's great. But, honestly, it's not the job of your readers to make you a better writer. You need to handle that on your own. Take a writing class or read some books if you feel like you need some instruction. Join an online writing group. Ask for people to give you constructive criticism. But be aware that most readers aren't editors (nor should they be) and might not have much of use to tell you.

[(Anonymous)]

This.

[amethyst-rei.livejournal.com]

I agree, but I don't think that's the point the OP was trying to make. I think he's just expressing frustration that there are probably a lot of people in fandom who would be more than willing to leave constructive crit but are too afraid to do so because of the stigma against anything that isn't mindless praise.

[(Anonymous)]

Mm. I think the stigma is well-deserved though. If fandom in general were capable of giving great, useful writing advice and doing it in a classy way, it'd be great. But of course it's just not that way. People have different ideas of what 'concrit' actually is, and different ideas of what they really want when they ask for it, and it's nigh impossible to determine that before commenting. And that's fine. People are different. But that means a culture of 'just be nice' is the substitute.

Which means writers have to work to find good beta readers or editors. And it is on them to learn their own craft. It's possible to do that if you put the effort in. It just takes time to find the right friends or group.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

I agree. This is the same reason professional writers for TV and movies and shit don't read every piece of fanmail crit they get. Because it's mostly a waste of time and 99% of it is from people who don't know shit about writing, but are still sure they could do it better than the people whose actual jobs it is to write.

I dislike that people don't feel free to leave crit, but I also dislike the idea that if somebody leaves crit, it must be quality crit always and the author should read it and be thankful and keep it in mind, and if they don't they're an asshole. That's not how it works.

[(Anonymous)]

yeah thats what I thought OP meant.

[her-ririness-ii.livejournal.com]

I dont think OP tries to force people to leave concrit. Not that they actually could do that. However, I think it definitely became unusual to leave concrit even when the author says it's fine because there have been enough cases where this produced a negative unjustified reaction.

[(Anonymous)]

Indeed. I've been specifically asked for concrit before, given it freely and politely, and then had the author freak out on me and be hurt because it wasn't positive. It's unfortunate that it's become this way, but it's become this way for a reason. Because some readers consider flames to be concrit, and because some writers can't handle any negativity at all.

It might be frustrating, but that's the way it is, and it means you have to prove yourself before readers will believe that you really want concrit. If you want to improve you just have to put the effort in.

[velvet-mace.livejournal.com]

This.

[(Anonymous)]

This is so missing the point. Fif a reader has ANY opinion other "that was awesome", they should be able to post it. Think of all the people who leave reviews on books, or appliances, or websites, or services, or anything else--99% of them are not professionals, they don't have anymore info than the provider. But they leave their opinions because they are the consumers. They are the intended audience. If you can have an opinion on your vacuum cleaner, you can have an opinion on the story you read.

It doesn't have to be just "lol that was great, write more". Think the characterization was off? Say why. Thought a part of the story was unbelievable/tacky/silly? Speak up about it. Noticed grammatical errors? Mention it. No, a reader's job is not to teach the writer, but reviews aren't made for ego boosts, they're made for opinions and critiques. Fanfiction reviews are completely bullshit because 99.9% of them have nothing interesting to say. I get more useful reviews on scam sites.