[ SECRET POST #1950 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1950 ⌋

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Comments

[arathe.livejournal.com]

The only couple that's felt genuine to me so far is Catelyn and Ned. Otherwise, I totally agree. The 'romance' so far (I'm halfway through book four) has been nothing but a complete trainwreck. Which is kind of a nice change from most things I've read lately. :D

[(Anonymous)]

Catelyn/Ned, but also Jaime/Cersei (as twisted as that is, they love each other), Qarl/Asha, Jon/Ygritte, Arianne/Arys, Renly/Loras...

[arathe.livejournal.com]

I haven't encountered Qarl yet, so I can't speak for that one, and I don't really count Renly/Loras since (so far) the books only make subtle allusions that I probably never would have caught it the show hadn't gone and spelled it out for me. Cersei and Jaime's relationship seems more like it's built on a foundation of narcissism and loyalty, rather than love, and while I got the feeling that Arianne was fond of Arys, I think he was more a means to an end for her.

I'll give you Jon and Ygritte, though. I'd completely forgotten about her, but she's one of the very few characters in the series who didn't really have an agenda of any kind.

[(Anonymous)]

Not sure about some of those, tbh...

[fauxkaren.livejournal.com]

Qarl/Asha isn't really romantic though, is it? My memory is fuzzy, but isn't it more of a Friends With Benefits kind of thing? And Ygritte is WAY more into Jon than he is into her. I mean, he likes her and he likes having sex with her, but since he was a double agent, I don't think he really let himself care about her as much as he might have while she was head over heels for him. And Arianne/Arys wasn't super romantic either, I didn't think?

The only real love stories in the series, imo, are Cat/Ned, Renly/Loras and Jaime/Cersei (although even that is borderline because Jaime seemed to only love this idealized version of Cersei he had in his head and when she breaks from that mold, he's kind of over it.)

[aramis-chan.livejournal.com]

It's kind of telling of how fucked up that world is that Jaime/Cersei is one of the happier romances. (I'm so upset about their break-up.) But it looks like there was a lot of idealisation going on on both sides still.

I'm not really seeing Jon/Ygritte, though I'm sure there's a certain amounts of genuine caring; but she basically blackmails him into sleeping with her, and he plans to betray her the whole time.

Renly/Loras, probably, but we never really find out if Renly was into Loras as much as Loras was into him...? (At least in book-verse, I haven't seen the show.)

[(Anonymous)]

/new anon here

I'm tying to think of other couples to add to your list and it's surprisingly difficult... So far all I can think of are I've got Oberyn Martell/Ellaria Sand, and Duncan Targaryen/Jenny of Oldstones( but they're before the scope of the books, so do they really count...?)

And then of course, depending on how much we want to go into rumors and fan theories, there may also be Rhaegar/Lyanna.

But yeah.... that's kind of all there is.

[fauxkaren.livejournal.com]

Cat/Ned is one of my biggest OTPs. I love them sfm.

But yeah, I think the books take a different approach to relationships than most series.

[arathe.livejournal.com]

I miss Ned so much, he was easily one of my favorite characters. And I want to know what's going on with Cat! I feel like GRRM is trolling me with A Feast for Crows— you can't drop a bombshell like that and then ignore it for the entirety of the next book! FFFUUUUU

The way the books approach relationships meshes with the setting very well. For the lion's share of the characters, practicality trumps sentiment every time. Marriage is a political maneuver meant to curry favor, to buy armies, titles or land, and it's just so completely divorced from what we consider the norm and the way it's usually portrayed in other books. I love it.

[exmptfromsanity.livejournal.com]

Agreed. It really works with the setting and lines up with what life was probably like for this social class in the time frame.


The more points people bring up about this series the more interested I am in knowing how it ends for certain character.