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⌈ Secret Post #1950 ⌋

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One of the things that drove me nuts about her callousness was not the seashell, it was "What's the big deal about not going to the war meeting? You remember what happened last time." It was like... you don't get him at all.

Also, for me, their relationship was coded as part of what Zuko always thought he wanted, but wasn't making him happy. Like everything in the Fire Nation when he got his honor back was really nice, but kind of felt hollow compared to what he had before. It felt kind of odd that he made all those changes, but Mai was still totally the right girl for him, even though she didn't really have any sort of epiphany.

YMMV, but those were a couple of the issues I had with it. I didn't want her to die/be miserable, I just felt that she didn't have enough characterization for the role they put her in in season 3. It also would have worked to me if it was "this is supposed to feel hollow." They also kind of screwed the pooch though with Ty Lee; girl who wants to be unique/not part of a matching set? Put her in the Kyoshi Warriors! :D"

Also, I didn't really want to see any of the characters just mope. It's an action adventure cartoon. If I wanted angsting and moping I'd be watching something else. :P

See, I think Mai was supposed to be the one good thing that Zuko had at the Fire Nation, so that he would be sacrificing some of his own happiness for the sake of being "good", and therefore make his decision more poignant. And to be fair, he did seem to genuinely like her. Like that dreamy expression he gets when he talks with Sokka about her.

I guess so, but I just didn't read it that way. I kind of figured any relationship with his father, his comfort, being a prince, etc. were all things that he sacrificed.

I can see him liking her there, but other than that... they always seemed just kind of jaded to miserable together. YMMV, but I never saw them actually happy together in the show, or doing anything meaningful together, etc. I couldn't even tell you why they liked each other, or what they liked about each other.

Especially the war meeting thing. That does not seem like a good thing that I would be sad to leave. "Yeah, thanks, honeybear, when I was worried about daddy not loving me, I really needed to be reminded me how he scarred and disgraced me because of the last war meeting."

Fair enough, and I kinda agree.

Well, he did laugh when she said that orange is an awful color. So he seems to find her funny. And during the war meeting drama, I think she was trying to calm him down both by convincing him that joining int wouldn't be that great anyway and by telling him that he wasn't invited because him being there was taken for granted. Ultimately, she was right about the latter.

As for more the rest is sadly more inferred than actually shown on the show, like knowing each other for a long time. Plus, I guess Zuko might prefer Mai's apathy and calmness because a perky person who wants to make him happy would only annoy him?

I can see those things, and they're fine for me for a temporary relationship, but not true love/the one thing that he has to give up, etc. (I do like the bit when it was just so assumed that he would be there, etc. That was good. *thumbs up* Just there are a million things to say about how it's not important besides, remember how your dad scarred you last time?)

I'm not saying that it makes her a bad character, it just doesn't make really convincing relationship. I hate to use the example, but when Zuko was nervous about going into Iroh's tent, I felt Katara was more supportive/worked better with him in terms of personality.

Yeah, I guess it does drive me crazy that they didn't really do much to establish them. They were pretty cute in the comic (from what I remember), and I can see him thinking she's funny too, if they did it more than once in the actual show. I kind of took the orange thing as a "haha, oh you! I've missed being around you/friends," but I can see in a larger context he might have liked her sense of humor. (Although what she likes about him... I don't know, but she's hard to read.)

I can also agree with Maiko could have been awesome, but they botched it in the show. It wouldn't have been my personal preference, but I could see how it work and be appealing and might have been okay with it if it had played out better.

They seemed pretty happy when they were making fun of the sunset together in "The Headband". And until Zuko started angsting about the war meeting they seemed quite content cuddling on the couch and ordering servants around in "Nightmares and Daydreams". Heck, Mai even giggled a little bit.

I agree at first they seems happy and I'm cool with that, I just wish they had kept that in more than the first episode (and have had the cute hook up actually in the show!)

I can get the cuddling, I guess, but the ordering the servants around does not seem like a good sign for a healthy relationship. If there were more development/positive things about it, I'd be more okay with it, but without much saying why they like each other it makes it seem all political. I don't think Mai actually cares about power that much, but it just doesn't look good when one of their few good moments is ordering people around, you know? It makes it look like it's supposed to be hollow and a perk of power rather than true love...

Maybe it's more that it had potential, but tripped over it's own shoestrings shortly after the race began.

THIS, ALL OF THIS! You put my thoughts into words way better than I ever could have!

Ftr, I thought the moping was kind of cute at first, but there is a limit to how much moping I can handle in one series/character.

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