[ SECRET POST #1954 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1954 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 040 secrets from Secret Submission Post #279.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, they would feel weird, because through your lies you might have made them unwitting criminals. You're a great fandom friend.

[otakugal15.livejournal.com]

0/10

[fadeinthewash.livejournal.com]

I dunno if that's trolling. It's one of the first things that pop into my head: that people are paranoid as fuck about minors being in any kind of sexual environment on the internet. I don't really consider it that far-fetched that some fandom-disapproving parent logs on to the family computer one day and finds smut-fics bookmarked and freaks out. Share a sexy fanart? Contributing to delinquency of a minor. God help you if you actually coauthored something sexy with a minor. Not every person out there is rational or fair or understanding or willing to accept their little snowflake is naturally interested in what's in other people's pants. Odds of it being in an issue? One in a million. Still not impossible.

[otakugal15.livejournal.com]

That's why I mentioned down thread. Parents. Need to do their damn jobs.

It's not our fault nor is it our responsibility to police what a minor wants to read or look at. Sure, we can put warnings up. And there are sites that do the birthday thing. But, as evidenced by this thread, minors get past that. Nothing we can do to stop that except on the parents end and keeping an EYE on those kids putting in the proper locks or staying in the room with them as they surf the net.

And the few times I've know of a parent freaking out, they didn't track down the authors. They forbade their kid from going on the computer and then put all kinds of parental locks.

Parenting: doing it right!!

Trying to track down authors and shit for "scarring their precious angels for life?"

Parenting: doing it wrong!! Not unless there's an actual case for actual child abuse and shit.

[megalomaniageek.livejournal.com]

Yeah, when my parents were worried about what I might be up to online or who I might be talking to online, they told me to cut it out on my end. That was it.

[fadeinthewash.livejournal.com]

Yeah, and there are definitely parents who Do It Wrong out there. Only takes one making the right amount of noise about the right set of circumstances, and just an accusation is enough to really fuck up someone's life.

[otakugal15.livejournal.com]

And I care because...?

That's my point.

I don't care because it's not my responsibility. It's the parents responsibility to watch their kids, not us fandom folks to police the ever loving fuck out of minors. You can post warnings to warn them or even f-lock shit to keep it more safe, but they'll STILL find ways around them.

And most parents who'd do that? Would most likely be laughed out of court because there'd be too little circumstantial evidence to make any kind of case. Especially if there's no actual case for it to begin with.

[(Anonymous)]

The law actually does care. All it takes is one parent to flip their shit, whether they're failing as a parent or not, and someone who had been engaging in what they believed to be legally consensual sexual conversation or rp with a minor who lied about their age might very well be branded as a sexual offender. Even if the claim is laughed out of court, the allegations were still made, and will still come up to bite that person in the ass long after anyone would think it would be water under the bridge.

Think about how wank and rumor milling works in fandom, how someone can be completely ostracized and attacked for expressing an unpopular opinion, by being white or male, by someone copy pasting something out of context to the anon memes, and then apply that to RL. People lose their jobs, their friends, their families over shit like this. Laughed out of court and circumstantial evidence might save them from prison, but it's not going to keep people from talking and judging.

Smutfics, NC-17 fanart, sexually graphic rp and other things that we consider normal, acceptable and comfortable in fandom don't share that same status in much of the offline world, so while that poor unlucky sod might cleared legally, they'll still face the judgment of those people who frown (or worse) on such things.

You come across as rather young, yourself, so maybe these things don't have as much relevance to you yet. People in their early 20's don't have that much of an age difference, generally aren't established with careers or households of their own, don't have as much to lose if they run across that thirteen year old lying about their age with an overworked parent without the resources to police their child properly who stumbles upon their precious child's online deviancy.

It's not about who's in charge of policing minors in fandom or who has failed in their responsibilities, it's about keeping yourself safe. An argument can be made either way - the parents failed or the adult that got busted brought it on themselves for not knowing who they were interacting with, but in the end, that minor lying about their age knew exactly what they were doing. If they want to be recognized as intelligent people worthy of acceptance and participation in adult oriented aspects of fandom, they need to actually behave like adults and not tantrum throwing entitled children.

[otakugal15.livejournal.com]

And you know how I stay safe? Not posting porn on the net!!

And that person who is unlucky enough to be "judged" probably wouldn't care outside said court room. Especially if said person's friends and/or family know of their hobbies.

I had this same conversation with my mother the other day. She agrees with me and she's not even IN fandom. Doesn't care for it. But so long as people do their warnings, says you "probably shouldn't read this if you are below ___ age" and/or f-lock shit, you've done your duty and then it's on the minor and their unobservant parents.

It all falls on the parents shoulders.