[ SECRET POST #1959 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1959 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Not the OP and only tangentially related but I'm curious. Is there a difference between being racist against a race, and being phobic of that race? If a white person is afraid of black people and it's an uncontrollable irrational phobia, are they racist? If a man is irrationally phobic of women, is he misogynist?

[(Anonymous)]

Yes.

[(Anonymous)]

That confuses me about words like "homophobic" because "homophobes" aren't really irrationally terrified or "phobic" just hateful and bigoted. Meanwhile a person who is literally homophobic as in terrified of gay people, may not hate them or want to deny them rights, only irrationally terrified and possibly able to recognize that their terror is irrational. English why.

[kallanda-lee.livejournal.com]

The thing with homophobia though, it sort of is an irrational fear in some people.

Fortunately it seems to be more rare in younger generations, but I know guys who are more my parent's generation, or even younger, who really have this irrational fear that gay men will try to touch them inappropriately or magically make them gay.

Some people who oppose gay marriage are basically against it because they somehow fear it will make society crumble or they fear change and progress.

So while it's not a phobia in the strictest sense, I have seen hatefulness coming from a place of fear.

[citrinesunset.livejournal.com]

Well, one thing to remember is that "phobic" as a suffix can be used both to refer to extreme and irrational fears and other types of repellent behavior. For example, hydrophobic molecules do not do well around water. Their name isn't meant to imply that molecules are capable of experiencing phobias in the psychological sense.

For another, some bigotry does stem from irrational fear, and some fear stems from bigotry.

[imnotasquirrel.livejournal.com]

Yes, they are.

[(Anonymous)]

...Typically? I think it's considered racism [or sexism in the case of the second example], yes. I can't speak for every case, and I can't speak for anyone else's viewpoints but...from what I've seen, and what I've heard from people I've talked to, there isn't a difference between the two.

For example, a woman clutching her purse closer to her because a *black* man walks by? True, she could be phobic of black people...but that's neither okay, and that doesn't magically make it, or her, not racist.

[(Anonymous)]

What if she realizes it's wrong on a moral level and is trying to stop herself from doing it? What if the woman clutched her purse closer to her, realized what she's doing, then told herself she's being silly and relaxed and apologized to the black man while explaining her phobia? You can't help phobias, that's what makes them phobias.

[(Anonymous)]

That wouldn't make it less racist. She's still making a judgement about someone based on their race. If she isn't even trying to get over her phobia [and there *are* ways to for a person to find help with that], then I'd question how genuine her apology really was.

[citrinesunset.livejournal.com]

Her belief is still racist, even though she realizes it's wrong. She's not a bad person for having a phobia she can't control, but that doesn't make the beliefs good. Also, if her phobia is influenced by the idea that black men are more likely to be dangerous, then society is partly to blame for that. Depending on its root, it's possible her phobia may not have manifested in this way if she hadn't been exposed to the idea in the first place.

[crownedapple.livejournal.com]

If a straight person is irrationally phobic of a gay couple, are they homophobic?

[(Anonymous)]

See the answer to the first reply.

[crownedapple.livejournal.com]

I was trying to make a point - being phobic of homosexuals is literally homophobia. It's right there in the word.

[drunken-clowns.livejournal.com]

It sort of depends? They're still racist/sexist, but if they know they have a problem and are doing their absolute best to get help and stop having that problem, I don't think it's a thing to judge them over.